thompsonkirk Posted December 9, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Folks were unimpressed by the initial M9 profile in Lightroom/ACR, mainly because of what it did to skin tones. But I don't think the problem exists in the current download – assuming you use the right profile. There are 2 choices of camera profiles (under the little icon of a camera): 'Adobe Standard' & 'Embedded.' Adobe Standard is the one that's way off, with an orange cast. Embedded seems 'right on' to me. Today I obsessively-compulsively profiled six different lenses, using the Macbeth color checker & Adobe Camera Profiler. I used B&W UV filters & the 'Two Illuminants' method, which builds a scale of corrections for 2750-6500K. At the end of all this labor I looked at a Color Checker photo & a couple of colorful photo files, & concluded that all are within a hair's breadth of the Embedded profile - but uniformly different from Adobe Standard. I didn't measure all the color numbers & their differences – not quite THAT obsessive-compulsive – but there's really nothing to see in the way of differences between my custom profiles & the Embedded one. I'll go ahead & use the custom ones, but they'd matter only if I were doing product or catalog or advertising photography, where color-match is supposed to be perfect. (Thankfully I'm not doing anything like that.) I was thinking of offering the profiles to others, but there's no point in it – just stick with Embedded. It's quite good. Kirk Footnote: My favorite little 40mm Summicron-C repeatedly failed to profile in the 2-illuminants mode. Apparently it's color is 'off' by enough under tungsten light so that 1 patch falls outside the parameters that the profiler can work with. But I was able to make a 1-illuminant profile that looks just like all the others. Edited December 9, 2009 by thompsonkirk fn 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bo_Lorentzen Posted December 9, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 9, 2009 Kirk, Thank you sir. very informative.! . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted December 9, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 9, 2009 Interesting. I prefer Adobe Standard, which IMO gives better skin tones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 9, 2009 Share #4 Posted December 9, 2009 Interesting. I prefer Adobe Standard, which IMO gives better skin tones. For skin tones, I think the new pro version of C1, is better still, with its skin tone tool. Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted December 9, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 9, 2009 For skin tones, I think the new pro version of C1, is better still, with its skin tone tool. Wilson +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted December 9, 2009 Share #6 Posted December 9, 2009 I also prefer the 'Embedded' profile, only discovering there was an option when confronted with what I consider overly warm and contrasty images. In particular I think the micro contrast in 'Standard' is excessive and blocks in some shadows, and while I haven't tried the two profiles with skin tones, I can't imagine 'Standard' working very well. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelfocus Posted December 9, 2009 Share #7 Posted December 9, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Interesting. I prefer Adobe Standard, which IMO gives better skin tones. I also find myself using Adobe Standard (from LR 2.6 RC) most of the time and find skin-tones in particular don't have a magenta cast as they often do with 'Embedded'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photophile Posted December 9, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 9, 2009 Just out of curiosity.. where in LR do you find the Adobe - I can not find it under presets? Or is it an additional download? Thanks. Coos Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photophile Posted December 9, 2009 Share #9 Posted December 9, 2009 Disregard the last post - I found it with the camera calibration - I thought at first it was a preset. Thanks anyway. Coos Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompsonkirk Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share #10 Posted December 10, 2009 It's fine with me if some folks prefer Adobe Standard. After all, some folks preferred Velvia film. I just meant to report that it's inaccurate in relation to the Macbeth Color Checker. To each his own. Kirk 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted December 10, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 10, 2009 Don't forget that the 'Embedded' profile was the one that everyone hated for its pink skin tones when the M9 first came out. There was no end of talk about how PhaseOne had a profile for the M9 but Adobe didn't because of the last minute switch by Leica to Adobe to avoid giving the S2's secrets to PhaseOne. Oh well, ars longa, memoria brevis! Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicakillen Posted December 10, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 10, 2009 Disregard the last post - I found it with the camera calibration - I thought at first it was a preset. Thanks anyway. Coos Sorry for a stupid question - but I very new to Lightroom and my new 3800 printer. Where do I set the camera calibration etc?? Tack, /Anders Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 10, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 10, 2009 Sorry for a stupid question - but I very new to Lightroom and my new 3800 printer. Where do I set the camera calibration etc?? Tack, /Anders Anders, I am using LR3 Beta but I guess it is the same on previous versions. Go to the Develop page from the tabs on the top right of the screen. Then on the right of the screen you have the development parameters. If you scroll down, you will come to "Camera Calibration" It may need to be opened by clicking on the arrow, if it is pointing to the left. When calibration opens, at the top you will see "Profile". If you click on this, you will be offered various choices: Adobe Standard, Embedded and M9 Digital Camera 18 Sept 09. Choose which one gives you the result you like best. Hope this helps. Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted December 13, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 13, 2009 tried it: It shpws "profile:" but no choices. Embedded has up/down arrows but nothing happens. I'm in the process of hacking through LR3, C1, and aperture. At this point I find them alll confusing. I almost miss Photoshop Anders, I am using LR3 Beta but I guess it is the same on previous versions. Go to the Develop page from the tabs on the top right of the screen. Then on the right of the screen you have the development parameters. If you scroll down, you will come to "Camera Calibration" It may need to be opened by clicking on the arrow, if it is pointing to the left. When calibration opens, at the top you will see "Profile". If you click on this, you will be offered various choices: Adobe Standard, Embedded and M9 Digital Camera 18 Sept 09. Choose which one gives you the result you like best. Hope this helps. Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted December 14, 2009 Share #15 Posted December 14, 2009 The currently shipping version does not yet have a profile for the M9. You need to wait for 2.6 or install the prerelease version of either 2.6 or 3.0 to get it. If you install the 3.0 beta alongside version 2.5 the latter will be able to use the profile as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jklotz Posted December 14, 2009 Share #16 Posted December 14, 2009 I found a product, colorchecker passport, that allows me to take a shot of the color checker, then import the DNG into the software and create a custom color profile. It is $99. I was never happy with the colors from my M8 until I started doing this. I did one for daylight, shade, indoor, etc for every lens. Can't say how it will effect my M9 colors, as I'm still waiting for the camera, although it has improved my Canon files as well, so I'm assuming it will be a big help with the M9. For $99, it's worth looking into. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 14, 2009 Share #17 Posted December 14, 2009 I found a product, colorchecker passport, that allows me to take a shot of the color checker, then import the DNG into the software and create a custom color profile. It is $99. I was never happy with the colors from my M8 until I started doing this. I did one for daylight, shade, indoor, etc for every lens. Can't say how it will effect my M9 colors, as I'm still waiting for the camera, although it has improved my Canon files as well, so I'm assuming it will be a big help with the M9. For $99, it's worth looking into. James, You can do the same thing with a Gretag Macbeth color checker chart and the free software from Adobe but the Passport is much neater to carry around. I wish there was a free software to make ICC profiles from a G-M chart but I can only find a very expensive one. There is an online service but you need to buy one of their charts, as it does not work with a G-M one. Anyone know if there is freeware,shareware or cheap ICC creation software for Mac? Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jklotz Posted December 14, 2009 Share #18 Posted December 14, 2009 I agree Wilson - it's nice to be able to make DNG profiles, but if I could make ICC profiles, then I could color match my phase one and cambo to the canon and/or leica. That would be of great help when I do magazine spreads. I've written a feature request to the folks at xrite explaining the importance of being able to create ICC profiles in addition to the DNG ones, but all I got back was an email telling me how they appreciated my response. Thanks guys - now what about the ICC profiles???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 14, 2009 Share #19 Posted December 14, 2009 I agree Wilson - it's nice to be able to make DNG profiles, but if I could make ICC profiles, then I could color match my phase one and cambo to the canon and/or leica. That would be of great help when I do magazine spreads. I've written a feature request to the folks at xrite explaining the importance of being able to create ICC profiles in addition to the DNG ones, but all I got back was an email telling me how they appreciated my response. Thanks guys - now what about the ICC profiles???? James, My experience with X-Rite has been similar - poor in the customer relations department. I bought the Monaco Optix Pro from them and wanted software for Slow Leopard. "Tough" I was told "Monaco has been taken over - get a new kit". Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted December 14, 2009 Share #20 Posted December 14, 2009 WIlson - hmm, the software that came with my Optix Pro runs on SL and a new 27" iMac just fine. (V. 2.0.3) On the general question of M9 profiles: using the Beta of ACR 5.6, the "Adobe Standard" is the better (and newer) profile. Embedded is what Jenoptik and Leica wrote into the M9 firmware, and leads to pink skin, and is what we had until ACR 5.6 Beta appeared. I'd say the Adobe Standard still needs the usual tweaks in the profiling page - a big cut in blue saturation (like -35 to -50), a smaller cut in red sat., a boost in green sat., and a yellow hue shift to reds. But I won't bother with making them using a ColorChecker until the non-Beta version is available, because it may change yet again. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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