Neil Purling Posted February 25, 2008 Share #1 Posted February 25, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) If I were to get a genuine 50mm f 3.5 Elmar for my 1936 III a age-related one would have been uncoated originally. I figure I would need aperture setting accessory to avoid broken fingernails. You can get just the ring and a lens hood with the ring. What are the Leitz codes for these accessories? If I get a original uncoated lens the hood is absolutely essential. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted February 25, 2008 Share #2 Posted February 25, 2008 The lens hood with ring for f/stop adjustement was named VALOO and then 16620: I think it's not impossible to be found I do not know the coding for a ring only, and even do not remember if such an item does exist. The standard hood for the Elmar is the FISON/12510 or the adjustable FIKUS (for 50-90-135 mm). Personally, my Elmar is not so difficult to f/adjust.. never broke a nail... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 25, 2008 Share #3 Posted February 25, 2008 If broken nails are a problem (I don't suffer these from Elmar use!) then take a tip from the guitarists and use nail varnish, clear stuff if you don't want to be too OTT As for the lens, must you have one which actually matches the year of your camera? Many uncoated lenses were later coated so even if you do find a 1936 lens it won't necessarily be uncoated. I would just advise looking for the best example optically. The later Red Scale lenses are ever so slightly better image wise in terms of contrast and saturation if using colour. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 25, 2008 Share #4 Posted February 25, 2008 The lens hood with ring for f/stop adjustement was named VALOO and then 16620: I think it's not impossible to be found I do not know the coding for a ring only, and even do not remember if such an item does exist. The standard hood for the Elmar is the FISON/12510 or the adjustable FIKUS (for 50-90-135 mm). Personally, my Elmar is not so difficult to f/adjust.. never broke a nail... I agree with Luigi. I have the FIKUS but rarely use it. I don't have problems with flare. Aperture setting is not a problem, and I have never chipped my varnish Regards, Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Purling Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share #5 Posted February 25, 2008 Can you date the 50mm 3.5 Elmar's by their serial number? I dunno if I will win this Elmar, but I put down what I thought it was worth to me. I was attracted by a post-war 50mm f2.8, although it has the virtue of being genuine Leitz it was not quite 'right'. I thought it would be nice to have one piece of glass that was original. If I feel the need for a faster lens I will have a FSU Jupiter 8 re-shimmed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted February 25, 2008 Share #6 Posted February 25, 2008 You can use also a VOOLA with the FISON hood or any A36 filter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 25, 2008 Share #7 Posted February 25, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can you date the 50mm 3.5 Elmar's by their serial number?. Sure, a figure with s/n to year of production corrispondence is easy to find... if you haven't a book with it (Laney, Rogliatti...), tell me and I can easily scan & attach one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3maltesedogs Posted February 5, 2009 Share #8 Posted February 5, 2009 I just bought a 50mm f/3.5 Elmar (screw mount) online. I want to use this lens with M8. I want to put UV/IR filter on it. Anybody knows the adapter name? Will SNHOO fit? Thank you for your help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted February 5, 2009 Share #9 Posted February 5, 2009 The adapter from A 36 to E 39 which you can use for the screw-mount Elmar is the SOOGZ. Though it is not so helpful, for with a filter on top you cannot set the apertures. The M-mount 3.5/50-Elmar is much more convenient, as it has a normal aperture ring and E-39 mm Filter mount. It is as good as the red-scale screw-mount Elmar, but has no red-scale... Much better than the - old - 2.8/50 M-Mount Elmar, which was considerably less contrasty. The 3.5/50 M-mount Elmar may be found for the same price or even cheaper than the red-scale, for most people look for 2.8 when they want one for the M. But it is much rarer than either the screw mount version or the 2.8 -M-Mount. If you start with 50mm - Elmars you will be lost in variations... Edit: Laney (p. 398) writes that the SOOGZ is for Summitar-42-mm filters on 36-mm lenses. My two adapters which are engraved SOOGZ take 39-mm filters but no Summitar-filters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 5, 2009 Share #10 Posted February 5, 2009 The adapter from A 36 to E 39 which you can use for the screw-mount Elmar is the SOOGZ. Though it is not so helpful, for with a filter on top you cannot set the apertures. ..... Edit: Laney (p. 398) writes that the SOOGZ is for Summitar-42-mm filters on 36-mm lenses. My two adapters which are engraved SOOGZ take 39-mm filters but no Summitar-filters. One of the many typo - errors in Laney... SOOGZ (aka 13154) is definitely for E39 filters - see official Leitz catalogues; SOOTF (13079) is for Summitar filters on A36. Agree on the observations on BM Elmar 3,5... old SM Elmars are more "classic"... but BM ones are a lot more comfortable in use on M8. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted February 5, 2009 Share #11 Posted February 5, 2009 One of the many typo - errors in Laney... SOOGZ (aka 13154) is definitely for E39 filters - see official Leitz catalogues; SOOTF (13079) is for Summitar filters on A36. Luigi, unfortunately I have no official catalogues and - yet - no Lager III either, so i must rely on trial and error. Do you know if all M-mount 3.5/50-Elmars have black scales, or did Leitz even vary on the engravings for this lens? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 5, 2009 Share #12 Posted February 5, 2009 Luigi, unfortunately I have no official catalogues and - yet - no Lager III either, so i must rely on trial and error. Do you know if all M-mount 3.5/50-Elmars have black scales, or did Leitz even vary on the engravings for this lens? For what I have seen... no variations on engravings on the BM Elmar 3,5... only variants for me are the usual feet or meter scale, and the red dot for mounting ref. (painted or plastic bubble); btw, Van Hasbroek illustrates one with an almost incredible s/n of over 4.xxx.xxx ... and with the old "5 cm" engraving !!! Very strange... he doesn't give explanations about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted February 6, 2009 Share #13 Posted February 6, 2009 For what I have seen... no variations on engravings on the BM Elmar 3,5... only variants for me are the usual feet or meter scale, and the red dot for mounting ref. (painted or plastic bubble); btw, Van Hasbroek illustrates one with an almost incredible s/n of over 4.xxx.xxx ... and with the old "5 cm" engraving !!! Very strange... he doesn't give explanations about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted February 6, 2009 Share #14 Posted February 6, 2009 Van Hasbroek illustrates one with an almost incredible s/n of over 4.xxx.xxx ... and with the old "5 cm" engraving !!! Very strange... he doesn't give explanations about. Luigi, those are likely prototype numbers (at that time s/n of 4.xxx.xxx was so far away no one believed it could ever be reached). With later prototype lenses for R, numbers of 5.xxx.xxx were used. Regards, Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 6, 2009 Share #15 Posted February 6, 2009 Thanks for the visual support, JC... meters/feet and paint/bubble in one ! The bubbled one has a higher s/n, as I supposed... a little curios: the left lens seems to have the triangle on the DOF scale UNPAINTED... is it normal or the paint has disappeared accidentally ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 6, 2009 Share #16 Posted February 6, 2009 Luigi, those are likely prototype numbers (at that time s/n of 4.xxx.xxx was so far away no one believed it could ever be reached). With later prototype lenses for R, numbers of 5.xxx.xxx were used. Regards, Andy Thanks, probably is as you say... even if (if I remeber well) Van H. pic is of an item with red bubble.. and this is strange for a prototype of such an "old" lens... about the "Million Numbers"... you quote 5.xxx.xxx for R lenses (I have never "studied" anything on R line ) : are they "normal look" numbers ? I mean... usually I seem to remember that prototype numbers are "special" (lot of zeros, or something like 12.345.678... ther is something like in M lenses...or bodies) , and Van H. pic is of a BM Elmar with a "trivial" 4.xxx.xxx number. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted February 6, 2009 Share #17 Posted February 6, 2009 Thanks for the visual support, JC... meters/feet and paint/bubble in one ! The bubbled one has a higher s/n, as I supposed... a little curios: the left lens seems to have the triangle on the DOF scale UNPAINTED... is it normal or the paint has disappeared accidentally ? I have it in hand now and seems it never been painted, the numbers, the lines and the R letter are black inlayed. On the bubbled one there is no R letter. Have you seen these 2.8 BM ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 6, 2009 Share #18 Posted February 6, 2009 mtr + ft + mtr/ft... fine ! Don't see which or them are "5cm" and which "50 mm" ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted February 6, 2009 Share #19 Posted February 6, 2009 The right one has a "19" for the real focus-length next to the meter-mark. I have never seen this on a 50 Elmar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted February 6, 2009 Share #20 Posted February 6, 2009 mtr + ft + mtr/ft... fine ! Don't see which or them are "5cm" and which "50 mm" ... on eight 2.8/50 Elmar : 2 SM cm, 4 BM cm, 2 BM mm . The right one has a "19" for the real focus-length next to the meter-mark. I have never seen this on a 50 Elmar. the last 2 BM mm and dual range wear the same 19. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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