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Digging a little deeper into the specs of these two lenses, it seems to me that the 2.8/24asph must be a landmark design. It employs only 7 elements, one of which is aspherical, while the new 3.8/24asph needs 8 elements, two of which are aspherical, yet the former has f2.8 instead of just f3.8. Even the overall length is similar, roughly 45mm for the former versus roughly 40mm for the new lens. It will be interesting to see how long the 2.8/24 stays in view of the two new 24mm lenses. My prediction is, not long.

 

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At one of the largest dealers of used Leica equipment in Tokyo, the majority of the wides being sold used are 24/2.8 ASPHs, however you almost never see current 28s or 21s for sale used.

 

Either this means that it doesn't suit Japanese tastes or that it is so popular that wives veto it at a higher rate than other lens purchases.

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I agree, the 2.8/24 Elmarit ASPH is a terrific lens. Detail is incredibly sharp, even when printed large. Especially good with Fuji Astia 100F. Faster would be useful, but pricey, and bigger. Likewise a fast 21. Always a balancing act between size, speed and cost. Tricky.

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According to E. Puts' latest, covering the new stuff we've seen:

 

The 24 f/2.8 is gone (as is the 135 f/3.4). He doesn't include either lens in his list of 18 M lenses and calls the f/3.8 the "succesor" to the f/2.8 ASPH...

 

Photokina 2008

 

also has thumbnail reviews of image quality - the Nocti gets the biggest thumbs up, the luxes, moderate contrast wide open, the f/3.8 already at its best wide open.

 

Get 'em while you can.

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Sadly, as a 24/2.8 user, I have to say that the 2.8 does seem a tad out of place given the ultrafast or marginally slower alternatives now offered. Superb as the 2.8 is, I wonder just how it might continue to sell given these alternatives, so Puts is probably suggesting a 'corrct' lens line up. I'm wondering when we will see wider offerings from Leica - and how will they prived them - 18/2 and 18/4 I wonder?

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Sadly, as a 24/2.8 user, I have to say that the 2.8 does seem a tad out of place given the ultrafast or marginally slower alternatives now offered. Superb as the 2.8 is, I wonder just how it might continue to sell given these alternatives, so Puts is probably suggesting a 'corrct' lens line up. I'm wondering when we will see wider offerings from Leica - and how will they prived them - 18/2 and 18/4 I wonder?

 

Obviously Leica will not discontinue the 2.8/24. They have introduced Summilux lenses only for the focal lengths that so far started at f 2.8. A 28 mm Summilux was not presented because it would be too close to the Summicron, although 28x1.33 = 37 mm which is closest to the old "standard" M lens of 35 mm - a focal length with a long tradition in Summiluxes. The 3.8/24 is in my opinion in line with the Summarit lenses, but ASph

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According to E. Puts' latest, covering the new stuff we've seen:

 

The 24 f/2.8 is gone (as is the 135 f/3.4). He doesn't include either lens in his list of 18 M lenses and calls the f/3.8 the "succesor" to the f/2.8 ASPH...

 

Photokina 2008

 

also has thumbnail reviews of image quality - the Nocti gets the biggest thumbs up, the luxes, moderate contrast wide open, the f/3.8 already at its best wide open.

 

Get 'em while you can.

 

Bah, isn't in Erwin Put's style to make such quick and "no-in-depth" articles... his usualy highly philosopical style cannot be appreciated by all, by I almost prefer it to this "magazine-like" report... :rolleyes: . The assertion that 24 3,8 "kills" the 2,8 asph is given so squarely that I wonder if it's really so: for me would be a strange choice.

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Bah, isn't in Erwin Put's style to make such quick and "no-in-depth" articles... his usualy highly philosopical style cannot be appreciated by all, by I almost prefer it to this "magazine-like" report... :rolleyes: . The assertion that 24 3,8 "kills" the 2,8 asph is given so squarely that I wonder if it's really so: for me would be a strange choice.

 

You have a point. I believe I have read Puts saying that the 2.8/24 ASPH is superb and can hardly be improved upon, and now suddenly there is something much better... I have the 2.8/24 and also know of other users who most definately have no complaints with this lens. I am also a bit surprised if Leica will really discontinue the 2.8/24. 1.4 and 3.8 is really quite far apart.

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Digging a little deeper into the specs of these two lenses, it seems to me that the 2.8/24asph must be a landmark design. It employs only 7 elements, one of which is aspherical, while the new 3.8/24asph needs 8 elements, two of which are aspherical, yet the former has f2.8 instead of just f3.8. [...]

The new 24mm Elmar has only one aspherical element...
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The 24/2.8 is really one of the best lenses from Leica, even if, sometimes, to wide or not wide enough on the M8.

 

What I unerstand is, that Leica has not unlimited production and stocking capacities, so to have 3 24 mm lenses will not be useful. So they will sell what is left, and produce new lenses instead. For sure the 24/2.8 will be a collectible.

 

The 24/1.4 will probably be as good as the 2.8 (at 2.8) or even better, with some extra aperture for some extra money.

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What I unerstand is, that Leica has not unlimited production and stocking capacities, so to have 3 24 mm lenses will not be useful. So they will sell what is left, and produce new lenses instead. For sure the 24/2.8 will be a collectible.

 

From what I read in this forum, the 2,8/21 and 24 mm aspherics are built by Sigma, though to Leica specs.

 

I consider buying a wider than my 28 'cron asph lens but feel the spread between f 1,4 and 3,8 is too much. Same goes for the price which for the new 'lux doubles that of the 2,8 Elmarit asph.

 

H.

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On the factory tour I went on while in Solms in June they told us that Leica buys some of the aspherics ready made from other suppiers. The raw elements are finished by polishing etc in the factory before the lens is assembled. Sigma might be one of the suppiers, Shott defineatly is.

 

On the 24/2.8 Puts says that no M user should be without one.

 

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-Carl

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