VSOP Posted August 10, 2010 Share #1 Posted August 10, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've been searching on the web, which are differences between lux and cron, here's my conclusion. Please correct if you see any errors. 35mm summicron pros Smaller than lux, compact Distortion, max.-0.8% 39mm filters, and those can fit inside the hood? "Cheaper" 35mm summicron cons Is there any? Slower than lux 35mm summilux (2010-) pros f/1.4 Slightly better MTF at f/5.6 3D like, when shooting close distances? Better contrast? Better saturation? Overall better "character" ? 35mm summilux (2010-) cons Bigger than cron, heavier Distortion, max. -1.5% Slightly worse falloff at all apertures Most 46mm filters won't fit under the hood Expensive Slight focus problem on middle-middle distances, central section will be slightly out of focus, when the rest of the frame is in focus 35mm lux & cron equals Sharpness, no real world difference Handling, don't see any noticeable difference, because the new lux hood won't block viewfinder anymore? Out of focus rendition (bokeh), equal when shooting at f/2.0 ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 10, 2010 Posted August 10, 2010 Hi VSOP, Take a look here New 35mm summilux vs. 35mm summicron. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
colin_d Posted August 10, 2010 Share #2 Posted August 10, 2010 I thought the Lux was the smallest 35mm on the market, but then again I haven't seen the Cron. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted August 10, 2010 Share #3 Posted August 10, 2010 Hi Think he has been bitten by the asp, the Cleopatra syndrome. As he is ignoring the pre asphs, the summarit f2.5 35mm, and the CV alternatives. Noel Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted August 10, 2010 Share #4 Posted August 10, 2010 Hi Think he has been bitten by the asp, the Cleopatra syndrome. As he is ignoring the pre asphs, the summarit f2.5 35mm, and the CV alternatives. Noel Yes, please don't ignore the Summarit f2.5. That is one amazing little lens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VSOP Posted August 10, 2010 Author Share #5 Posted August 10, 2010 Yes, please don't ignore the Summarit f2.5. That is one amazing little lens. Mainly I take photos indoors and here in north Finland, there's quite dark outside most of the time. So f/2.5 is a little too slow for my taste. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arminw Posted August 10, 2010 Share #6 Posted August 10, 2010 Considering the price difference between the 35 summicron and 35 summilux, I m very happy the way this lens performs. Indeed it would be nice to have the lux which is faster , especially when I do indoor events , but then I shoot wide open set the ISO higher and the result is fantastic ! Would I see a huge improvement under normal shooting circumstances between the two ? I don't know .... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted August 10, 2010 Share #7 Posted August 10, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Please correct if you see any errors. The biggest error I can spot is the disregard of the Summarit-M 35 mm. When you need the speed then there's no way around the Summilux-M but when not then I'd prefer the Summarit-M 35 mm over the Summicron-M 35 mm. And then ... points that have a question mark behind them don't belong in a pro-and-con list. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubes Posted August 10, 2010 Share #8 Posted August 10, 2010 I haven't used (or even seen!) the new 35mm 'lux ASPH, but I have gotten '3-d effects' shooting my 35mm 'cron ASPH at or near wide-open and at close distances. The 'cron is really a wonderful lens, and I got mine used for about the same price as a new Summarit. That said, I suspect this whole list is moot, because if your indoor lighting is anything like mine, you'll need the f/1.4 (which is what my pre-asph 50mm is for). You may even want the Voigtlander f/1.2! Mike 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted August 10, 2010 Share #9 Posted August 10, 2010 Mainly I take photos indoors and here in north Finland, there's quite dark outside most of the time. So f/2.5 is a little too slow for my taste. All I can say is, please try it before you discount it. It is a beautiful lens, and only half a stop slower than the Summicron. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted August 10, 2010 Share #10 Posted August 10, 2010 Hi Nicole Yea small and light, good MTF, and use fast film over the winter. Noel Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicashot Posted August 10, 2010 Share #11 Posted August 10, 2010 I've owned and used all quite extensively except the new Lux and the best lens (if we're including slower lenses) is the Biogon-C 35mm. It's cheaper, sharper across the frame wide open and has better distortion control than the Summarit. I'd also say it's the sharpest lens at 2.8 across the entire frame, even better than the Lux ASPH. Sorry Leica fans, but I gotta admit it's the best 35mm lens I've ever used...and the cheapest too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VSOP Posted August 10, 2010 Author Share #12 Posted August 10, 2010 Xmas and Nicoleica, I have to admit that Summarit has a very nice contrast, sharpness and OOF rendition, but my main concern is the speed in the low-light situations. Of course M9's ISO 1250 is quite acceptable, but I'm not sure will it be enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicashot Posted August 10, 2010 Share #13 Posted August 10, 2010 Xmas and Nicoleica, I have to admit that Summarit has a very nice contrast, sharpness and OOF rendition, but my main concern is the speed in the low-light situations. Of course M9's ISO 1250 is quite acceptable, but I'm not sure will it be enough. I agree, if you can afford the 35/1.4, get it. More so for speed than creating bokeh effects. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWW Posted August 10, 2010 Share #14 Posted August 10, 2010 With the new summilux, I do notice the 3d effect. Weightwise, the cron ASPH is not noticeably lighter in hand and new hood makes it more compact than the hood on the older summilux. A good combo would be the new summilux for low light situations and for sharp, high contrast images and a summicron preasph v4 for a walkabout light, small lens with lower contrast. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted August 10, 2010 Share #15 Posted August 10, 2010 When you need the speed then there's no way around the Summilux-M but when not then I'd prefer the Summarit-M 35 mm over the Summicron-M 35 mm. I'm curious what advantage are you seeing in the Summarit 35 vs. the Summicron 35? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicashot Posted August 10, 2010 Share #16 Posted August 10, 2010 With the new summilux, I do notice the 3d effect. Weightwise, the cron ASPH is not noticeably lighter in hand and new hood makes it more compact than the hood on the older summilux. A good combo would be the new summilux for low light situations and for sharp, high contrast images and a summicron preasph v4 for a walkabout light, small lens with lower contrast. Gotta be honest. I've never really understood what 3D effect people are talking about. Can anyone post examples of this? How exactly is a 3D affect achieved from one lens over another besides offering more resolution? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted August 10, 2010 Share #17 Posted August 10, 2010 Hi Fit a Stemar. Noel Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted August 10, 2010 Share #18 Posted August 10, 2010 I'm curious what advantage are you seeing in the Summarit 35 vs. the Summicron 35? Cheaper, less flaring, less vignetting, and no disadvantages besides the slightly slower speed. Maybe also slightly better bokeh—but the jury is still out on that one. Okay, some may consider the slightly stronger distortion a disadvantage. I don't because 1) the distortion is barrel-shaped which is nicer to the eye than the Summicron's pincushion-shaped distortion, and 2) it's purely barrel-shaped (no wave-form) so even without a dedicated lens profile it's quick and easy to correct in post-processing if required (usually not). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VSOP Posted August 10, 2010 Author Share #19 Posted August 10, 2010 Gotta be honest. I've never really understood what 3D effect people are talking about. Can anyone post examples of this? New lux http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3d.jpg Summarit http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/fencenotresp.jpg http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/xeniahistorichousesmall.jpg Zeiss ZM 35 Biogon f/2 http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/hideout.jpg Other leaf | Flickr - Photo Sharing! Rome Sep 2008 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! BD_2002-08-24_0147 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! How exactly is a 3D affect achieved from one lens over another besides offering more resolution? These will affect 1. Perception, you want to see 3D 2. The shallow DOF (nice looking OOF) will give you a more 3D look 3. Resolution 4. Perspective / Angle 5. Colors / Saturation / Contrast 6. Subject 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 10, 2010 Share #20 Posted August 10, 2010 I'm curious what advantage are you seeing in the Summarit 35 vs. the Summicron 35? Thanks. Summarit range Includes comparisons to the Summicrons...see overall verdict, where he rates 35 Summarit higher overall. Of course, this is just one opinion, but consistent with some other forum members' experiences. (I hope there's not a limit to how many times I post this same link...and I don't even own one of the nice little buggers.) Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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