chrism Posted November 28, 2006 Share #201 Posted November 28, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Surely 'as of' is a translation-induced clumsiness. Using it in the sentence concerned is non-standard, and the confusion about it's meaning shows just how non-standard it is. I believe Leica meant to say that from December 6th onwards, one may register at their website etc, not that one must do so prior to December 6th. We could go into the proper usage of 'as of' but I think we would be going off topic! Chris Paid up pedant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 28, 2006 Posted November 28, 2006 Hi chrism, Take a look here Announcement Published on Leica Website . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sps Posted November 28, 2006 Share #202 Posted November 28, 2006 While this sub-topic does seem to be off point, I have personally never seen a digital file as beautiful as those coming out of my Contax 645C with a digital 16MP Kodak back. But they are very different animals. The DOF is extremely tight on a MF back at the same f stop. The mirror slap is tremendous, thereby making only those shots made at very high speed, on a strong tripod, or with mirror-lockup tack sharp. I end up, when hand-held in anything but blazingly sunlight, using the mirror-lockup. Not exactly spontaneous, definitely more deliberate, and much more intrusive. Massive lenses are the norm. My 210mm lens (basically a 130mm in 35 format, if I'm not mistaken) plus a lens muliplier (mutar) is back-breaking. Combine this with the need to shoot at f8 or greater and the usuable ISO on most digital backs being at 200 or slower (except the P30 which can go to 800 but is really only clean to 400) and it is clear that you take far fewer usable shots with the MF rig. If anything is even slightly off, you end up with a super accurate digital image of a blurred scene. When it is right though, it is scary. As for me, the 645 will either be sold or sit on the shelf. I think I've decided to sell my Contax G2 outfit also. As soon as I can find an M8 at a dealer I will buy it. It just fits real life much better than an MF system. Sorry for the long post, but I just wanted to help out those who may be swayed by the whole "MF is better" argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted November 28, 2006 Share #203 Posted November 28, 2006 I think it is the moirè above and to the left of the mouse, espressogeek is referring to From what I can tell, that's wood-grain plastic laminate under the keyboard, not a moiré pattern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted November 28, 2006 Share #204 Posted November 28, 2006 As far as I am concerned, "as of" is perfectly valid, normal, and even common. Anyone who does not understand it, or hasn't seen it used since 200 years ago, or has only seen it used in legal documents, should not assume that this is actually the common state of affairs. I expect it would occur at least several times in any recently written novel of medium size, or even in a decent newspaper. This thread is like a twilight zone, with everyone occupying their own dimension. For the germans in here who think "as of" is weird, please go away and ruminate on what "bis" really means Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted November 29, 2006 Share #205 Posted November 29, 2006 As of this topic this forum is having some fun again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted November 29, 2006 Share #206 Posted November 29, 2006 Hmmm....As if. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph S. Wisniewski Posted November 30, 2006 Share #207 Posted November 30, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) No, 'fraid not. I use a rubber. You see now, "as of " pales into insignificance.... (P.S. eraser = rubber in case this posting is somewhat perplexing.) My old team was a mix of Ford and Jaguar folk, and we had the most interesting fun with language. One gal gave us a lecture on the proper use of "fanny", "bottom", and "bum". We were designing voice control systems, so you can imagine that language was very important to us. We had a plaque on the wall that read: Language tells you what is important to people The Eskimos have 34 words for "snow" The British have 47 words for "drunk" And the Ford Motor Company has 72 names for silver paint And one of our techs was from Oz. She found it hilarious that our circuit design program ECAD had an icon labeled "IN & OUT". Apparently, where she grew up, "the old in & out" was slang for, well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 30, 2006 Share #208 Posted November 30, 2006 Or that dramatic change of meaning brought about by a missing comma... "A Kiwi eats roots and leaves" OR "A Kiwi eats, roots and leaves". For those puzzled, the first might refer to the dietary habits of someone from New Zealand. The second might be a sociological comment on the transient nature of relationship formation by that same person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Brittenson Posted November 30, 2006 Share #209 Posted November 30, 2006 "A Kiwi eats roots and leaves" I don't know about you, but I prefer to hide my roots and leaves when the Kiwis come knocking on the door! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDS Posted November 30, 2006 Share #210 Posted November 30, 2006 And one of our techs was from Oz. She found it hilarious that our circuit design program ECAD had an icon labeled "IN & OUT". Apparently, where she grew up, "the old in & out" was slang for, well... "IN & OUT" is the name of a chain of fast food restaurants that sell have been selling the best hamburgers in California for approximately fifty years! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabrielma Posted November 30, 2006 Share #211 Posted November 30, 2006 "As of" is nowadays legal language (I think more US style than English style) I thereby soforth as of now am in a Quantum leap, thusly forthwith then, and not thereafter. I've heard British photographers use the term flashlight for a camera mounted light source. Well, I use the term flashlight for what people in the U.S. seem to call flash, and lamp for what they call flashlight. As of now, I am still confused. No, wait. Until now. Starting now... No, wait, I was confused before and still am. So I am now...still... Hmm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neelin Posted December 1, 2006 Share #212 Posted December 1, 2006 And one of our techs was from Oz. She found it hilarious that our circuit design program ECAD had an icon labeled "IN & OUT". Apparently, where she grew up, "the old in & out" was slang for, well... "IN & OUT" is the name of a chain of fast food restaurants that sell have been selling the best hamburgers in California for approximately fifty years! Their road sign is prone to real & digital vandalism Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/9956-announcement-published-on-leica-website/?do=findComment&comment=108090'>More sharing options...
Joseph S. Wisniewski Posted December 1, 2006 Share #213 Posted December 1, 2006 Or that dramatic change of meaning brought about by a missing comma... "A Kiwi eats roots and leaves" OR "A Kiwi eats, roots and leaves". For those puzzled, the first might refer to the dietary habits of someone from New Zealand. The second might be a sociological comment on the transient nature of relationship formation by that same person. I believe the correct expression is "eats shoots and leaves"... A panda walks into a restaurant. He orders three large salads and eats them all. The waiter brings the check, and the panda draws a 38 and shoots the waiter dead. He heads for the door. The Maitre d' foolishly moves to block the panda, asking "why did you do that?" The panda continues out the door, but says over his shoulder "I'm a panda, man. That's what I do. Look it up". Confused, the Maitre d' looks in the dictionary and finds "Panda: a large black-and-white mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves." Of course there's the version with the Koala that "eats bush and leaves", and he's certainly not in a restaurant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamr Posted December 1, 2006 Share #214 Posted December 1, 2006 Just for clarification, if I purchase a new 'correct M8' I will still require IR filters to be fitted to my lenses. Is this correct? Regards Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagarwal Posted December 1, 2006 Share #215 Posted December 1, 2006 ... still require IR filters to be fitted to my lenses. Is this correct? That is correct. The sensor's sensitivity to IR and the filter on top of the sensor have not changed, so you still need to filter out the IR elsewhere (i.e. in front of the lens). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamr Posted December 1, 2006 Share #216 Posted December 1, 2006 Big disappointment. I will continue to use my DMR filter free. I don't even own any lens filters anyway. I thought that they degraded lens performance with strong light sources. I am about to spend my £3000 on some premium bonds. One day I will cash them in and spend it on an R10 or M9, whatever is produced first. I wonder what the general consensus would have been if the DMR had been launched with such 'image issues'. But as it is an 'M' it appears not to be a major problem. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted December 1, 2006 Share #217 Posted December 1, 2006 I wonder what the general consensus would have been if the DMR had been launched with such 'image issues'. But as it is an 'M' it appears not to be a major problem. Mark That is to be expected, as we M users are a much more tolerant and civilized group that the SLR rowdies. I'm happy this has finally been acknowleged by someone. Thank you, Mark, on behalf of M users everywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted December 1, 2006 Share #218 Posted December 1, 2006 Big disappointment. I will continue to use my DMR filter free. I don't even own any lens filters anyway. I thought that they degraded lens performance with strong light sources.Mark Mark, not to worry. It has been posted elsewhere here that the IR-blocking filters, because of the absorbtive coatings, will not cause flare in the way other types of filters do. I have purchased one 386, so far, and plan to get a set for my lenses up thru 75mm. Check out the various images that have been posted with this soon-to-be-owned-by-me (the optimistic man never quits hoping), magnificent instrument. Glad you own a DMR; congratulations. You're already using Leica glass. But, just imagine what your images could look like if you used lenses designed the way Leica really intended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluisell Posted December 3, 2006 Share #219 Posted December 3, 2006 Hi, for me it's the first time i post on that forum, but i'd like to add some consideration on new m8. I have read a lot of your post and you are all right about your disappointing and so on... Seems that noone of you that still want to buy the new upgraded camera is concerned about how to understand to recognize the new "corrected" camera? Leica Ag in their announcement is not talking about any serial number affected by various quality issue... how can i understand i my new camera or better the camera i will buy is affected by the issues? folks do you have any idea or information about that (leica only talk about 27th november and new firmware 1.10...)? when this new produced camera will be in the shops??? Only one comment about quality issue and "cars"... i think you and me will buy a top brand/model camera and we all expect that leica will act as a top quality manufacturers if they really want to be different from others... otherwise why to buy leica if they loose they quality??? Thanks Andrea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic Morris Posted December 3, 2006 Share #220 Posted December 3, 2006 Greetings All. I have read all pros and cons and am still wavering. I particularly enjoyed the give and take on shades of meaning and translation - um - shall we say - glitches. Perhaps one of the polyglots can provide me with an improved version of "No disadvantages must be expected for the images when the LEICA M8 is equipped with the latest firmware (from 1.10; available as of early December 2006)." If I understood German perhaps I could fathom the intent but as it is I haven't a clue what this means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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