Cherub Posted October 13, 2009 Share #81  Posted October 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) i so much agree with you. People tend to forget the essence of protography cause of information overload of different gadgets! Jaak   respect ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 Hi Cherub, Take a look here Why Are There So Many Negative Thoughts About the X1?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lct Posted October 13, 2009 Share #82 Â Posted October 13, 2009 I'll be rude. The IQ of the X1 sucks... For 2000 dollars, one would ask for more. See the original Spanish article here:DSLR Magazine - Leica X1... My Spanish is far from perfect but the review sounds pretty good no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackart Posted October 13, 2009 Share #83  Posted October 13, 2009 I would just like to draw everyone's attention to the EXIF. The Jpg has been compressed, level 6 (whatever that means). And the software was Adobe CS3.  Six is rather packed, by Adobe standards.  1 - low quality, small file, lots of lost data 6 - medium quality 8 - high quality 12- max quality, largest file  Jaak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted October 13, 2009 Share #84 Â Posted October 13, 2009 My Spanish is far from perfect but the review sounds pretty good no? Â Yes, it is very positive... Â Prof. ValentÃn Sama, the writer, is an optician, university professor and former editor of the FV magazine. He is an experienced photographer, collector and journalist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Ortego Posted October 14, 2009 Share #85  Posted October 14, 2009 Well, for what it's worth, I'm wildly excited about the X1 (hence my registering and coming here to lurk and now post). I know that I'm not alone. The price tag is the only - THE ONLY - thing which casts a bit of shade over the sunny prospect of one of these sitting under my Christmas Tree. Several people I know were all ready to put money down for an X1, expecting it to cost anything up to €1000, only to turn away when the price was announced. Personally, I still plan to get one. I think the price is very high indeed but I'm assuming that it's high for a reason and not just to rip me off for wanting a camera with a red dot on it. I'm also assuming that this camera, despite being digital, will hold its value for a while.  Not to repeat the obvious, but this appears to be a genuinely compact camera capable of delivering results which equal, perhaps even surpass, the output of a prosumer DSLR in quality. (I can't wait for the first reviews.) The only downside is not being able to change lenses. But I learned my photography on a Minolta X-300 and a 50mm prime, I'd been shooting for nearly twenty years before I got my first zoom lens. I take better pictures when I can't zoom (except with my feet). The thought of having just the one, very good prime lens actually attracts me.  So why not a GF1 or PEN or Sigma DP-2? I'm expecting the X1 to offer a better experience than any of those, and/or to be slightly more compact. I'm selling my Nikon system to finance it. Too often I've missed a great photography opportunity because I went out without my camera, because my camera was too bulky. I'm really excited about the X1 and expect it to reignite my enthusiasm for taking pictures.  Sorry for the long first post, just wanted to give my €0.02.  I feel the same way and I suspect part of the crazy costs includes the Lightroom software along with the signature red logo. After deducting those two items, I view it as a 1200-dollar P&S. I suppose if I compare the cost of my DL4, then perhaps the X1 is about in line with the enhanced features. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted October 14, 2009 Share #86  Posted October 14, 2009 I ordered my X1 today and if some people regard it as just a point and shoot - so what? If I can point and shoot with it I'll be very happy. I had a camera in my pocket on Saturday in London's West End and pulled it out quickly when I saw this photo opportunity outside the Palace Theatre ...   ... If only I'd had a better "point and shoot" camera with me ie the X1 ...  There are times when it is not practical fro me to carry a larger camera.  Cheers  dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbgeach Posted October 15, 2009 Share #87 Â Posted October 15, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) My only gribe with the X1 is that the lens extends. The most common cause of P and S failure is Erectile Dysfunction. Those lenses just stop poking out one day. I would have preferred a small m style lens. Â This really is the only reason I won't buy one. Trust me, the lens will malfunction after 3 years. If I buy a Leica, I want to will it to my children Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted October 15, 2009 Share #88  Posted October 15, 2009 This really is the only reason I won't buy one. Trust me, the lens will malfunction after 3 years.  We had so many "only one" reasons for not buying the X1 so far, we could fill a book with them...  If I buy a Leica, I want to will it to my children  Then you shouldn't buy a digital one anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Ortego Posted October 15, 2009 Share #89  Posted October 15, 2009 Dang, I remain perplexed over this dilemma. Having owned an M8 and Leica primes and the DL4, I’m struggling with the X1 on again/off again thinking. Is it really worth the cost? Will it be so exceptional that I won’t care about the $2500.00 average kit cost? If you were to buy the flash, finder, grip and the system case (nice by the way) it would be $3k+. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Ortego Posted October 15, 2009 Share #90 Â Posted October 15, 2009 Some great images on his website too TERRY RICHARDSONÂ I always maintain, it's the photography that counts. So easy to get hung up on gear especially if you like Leica! Â I don't get it. I have studied this guy's work and I still don't get it! Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbgeach Posted October 16, 2009 Share #91  Posted October 16, 2009 We had so many "only one" reasons for not buying the X1 so far, we could fill a book with them... Good point, I just hadn't seen it mentioned  Then you shouldn't buy a digital one anyway. I fully expect my m8 to be making great pics in 2045. However, I agree with you. I love the X1 concept and would gladly plunk down my money if I thought this camera would make great pics for decades to come. However, that extending lens worries me, so I will wait and see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted October 16, 2009 Share #92  Posted October 16, 2009 Good point, I just hadn't seen it mentioned  I fully expect my m8 to be making great pics in 2045. However, I agree with you. I love the X1 concept and would gladly plunk down my money if I thought this camera would make great pics for decades to come. However, that extending lens worries me, so I will wait and see.  Given the fact that the vast majority of all available cameras are autofocus why should an extending lens worry people?  Maybe those people will forever have their heads in the sand and only ever recognize a Leica as being a manual focus camera.  There is room in the market for a quality Leica APS sensored compact pocketable camera with autofocus. The fact that it also has manual focus is a bonus. All things mechanical wear out eventually so if the AF lens gives up after 50000 exposures - so what? Work it out on a cost per exposure basis and it's approx 3p per picture.  I detect some "how dare they!" attitude amongst the Leica rangefinder die-hards.  Get with it and rejoice in the fact that the people in Leica Solms are not as die hard as you lot!  Cheers  dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheRipper Posted October 16, 2009 Share #93  Posted October 16, 2009 Given the fact that the vast majority of all available cameras are autofocus why should an extending lens worry people?  Maybe those people will forever have their heads in the sand and only ever recognize a Leica as being a manual focus camera.  There is room in the market for a quality Leica APS sensored compact pocketable camera with autofocus. The fact that it also has manual focus is a bonus. All things mechanical wear out eventually so if the AF lens gives up after 50000 exposures - so what? Work it out on a cost per exposure basis and it's approx 3p per picture.  I detect some "how dare they!" attitude amongst the Leica rangefinder die-hards.  Get with it and rejoice in the fact that the people in Leica Solms are not as die hard as you lot!  Cheers  dunk   I almost see Leicas as a status symbol. A lot of the negative feedback is coming from the M guys. It's almost like Mercedes/BMW making a "cheaper" model for the regular people. How revolting! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted October 16, 2009 Share #94 Â Posted October 16, 2009 I fully expect my m8 to be making great pics in 2045. Â Maybe you'll be extremely lucky, but I would expect the vast majority of M8/M9 cameras to be gone by then. While I would expect my trusty old M4-P to still be working if someone takes care of it by having it serviced from time to time. Â There's a big difference between a fully or mostly mechanical camera and a digital computer important parts of which are chips - availability of parts in the future. If you're actually using your camera for a longer period of time, changes are it'll need some service every now and then. And inevitably some things will break. That's not a matter of quality, you can't build something that'll never break if it's used all the time. In 2045, and even a decade or two earlier, my guess would be that significant parts of the M8/M9 simply won't be available anymore unless you're willing to set up a whole factory to build them. Just look at the stories of NASA struggling to find replacement chips to use in their Space Shuttles. If even NASA can't find them, what does that mean for John Doe? Â There are already some electronic cameras Leica doesn't repair anymore. Not because they don't want to do it, but because they can't. That'll be the fate of the M8 as well, I'm afraid. (And, yes, I also have one.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoersch Posted October 16, 2009 Share #95 Â Posted October 16, 2009 just what we need, a fixed lens M type compact camera..... Â An M type compact camera without a viewfinder? I thought it was the rangefinder that defined the M type camera?! Aren't you getting a bit carried away? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted October 16, 2009 Share #96  Posted October 16, 2009 When I get my X1 I'll be more than happy to get 10 years good wear out of it . In real terms it is not going to cost me any more than my Canon T90 cost me in 1987 and it will be a cost effective and practical solution for a pocketable APS sensored camera.  Cheers  dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craftsman Posted October 16, 2009 Share #97 Â Posted October 16, 2009 An M type compact camera without a viewfinder? I thought it was the rangefinder that defined the M type camera?! Aren't you getting a bit carried away? Â Â I agree. Stick your favorite focal length on any M, don't take it off and you have a fixed lens M. The X1 is in my opinion a " more money than brains" Leica marketing rip off. A $2000.00 P&S with the Red Leica logo.Viewfinder extra. Go ahead it's your money. Laughable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted October 16, 2009 Share #98 Â Posted October 16, 2009 it will be a cost effective and practical solution for a pocketable APS sensored camera. Â Is this camera really as pocketable as people think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayoflight Posted October 16, 2009 Share #99 Â Posted October 16, 2009 I agree. Stick your favorite focal length on any M, don't take it off and you have a fixed lens M. The X1 is in my opinion a " more money than brains" Leica marketing rip off. A $2000.00 P&S with the Red Leica logo.Viewfinder extra. Go ahead it's your money. Laughable. Â Yes, I agree. And the competitors are waiting at the door to announce similar products. Nikon and Sony, maybe Canon will come out with the same (or better) camera. Most likely with solid interchangeable lens. Now that'll be interesting. They will sell better than the so-so Leica X1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglasco Posted October 16, 2009 Share #100 Â Posted October 16, 2009 No one will buy the camera if they dont want to, I will buy a so so x1 because I want one. I am not interested in what Nikon or Canon will come out with, Leica is my prefered brand of camera and the specs of the X1 will suit me, its as simple as that. Try not to let it get to you if you do not like what the X1 is, just dont buy it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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