vish Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share #21 Posted September 20, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Or are you true supporters of the idea that Leica should produce high quality products and not slack off? I think you are very correct - pretending these problems are irrelevant is basically denial, and it doesn't help Leica produce better cameras, nor new users like myself. If fact it encourages Leica to be sloppy, basically. Their mechanical engineering is quite fine, but their technological skills are quite slipshod if they cannot even get these basics right on a flagship camera. Nice camera though, need to practice with it, but my M9 images are slowly coming up to my normal standards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 20, 2009 Posted September 20, 2009 Hi vish, Take a look here M9 image transfer - urgh :(. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
stunsworth Posted September 21, 2009 Share #22 Posted September 21, 2009 Perhaps the problem is due to Apple not correctly supporting the interface rather than with Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbaron Posted September 21, 2009 Share #23 Posted September 21, 2009 Have you tried copying the images to the Mac first? It's a bit much to ask Lightroom to work on files that are still in the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vish Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share #24 Posted September 21, 2009 Both copying to the desktop and importing via Lightroom fail through the camera. Using an external reader works fine. I doubt Apple are to blame here, given all the other cameras that have come and gone through these doors and past this Mac. No biggie. Something for Leica to fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted September 21, 2009 Share #25 Posted September 21, 2009 Are you running Snow Leapord? Mac's seems to be emulating PCs more with each operating system release. Also I think Mac would rather you used Aperture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 21, 2009 Share #26 Posted September 21, 2009 I quit using my cameras as computer peripherals back in the Digilux 2/R-D1 era and got a 9-in-one card reader. $29.95 and still going strong. Plus I can try out cameras in stores and read their files without "borrowing" them to bring home as $2000 card readers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted September 21, 2009 Share #27 Posted September 21, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I quit using my cameras as computer peripherals back in the Digilux 2/R-D1 era and got a 9-in-one card reader. $29.95 and still going strong. Plus I can try out cameras in stores and read their files without "borrowing" them to bring home as $2000 card readers. I'm not sure the OP's question warrants these kind of twattish comments. Leica claims the new camera works as a mass storage device and supports direct transfer of images via USB. It is not unreasonable to expect it to work irrespective of how much the camera costs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 21, 2009 Share #28 Posted September 21, 2009 I'm not sure the OP's question warrants these kind of twattish comments. Leica claims the new camera works as a mass storage device and supports direct transfer of images via USB. It is not unreasonable to expect it to work irrespective of how much the camera costs. No- I agree, but it is correct to question the configuration of the system, and to point out that it is not quite the same as the average P&S. There is a difference between transferring JPG files and 36 MB DNG files. I have not heard these complaints about transferring files through USB to PC. Is that because nobody tried or because it just works? It may well be a PC-Mac compatablity problem, or the way Mac and LR combined function. It is to easy to point at the camera when there is a compatability problem. It may, however be each and every of the components, or a combination thereof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geesbert Posted September 21, 2009 Share #29 Posted September 21, 2009 the best thing is avoid both built-in udb sockets and card readers by buying sandisk plus cards. they are a tad more expensive than the regular ones, but have a usb plug build in. i bought a couple of sandisk sd-plus 4gb bugatti and they are fabulous. I use them ever since they came out a few years ago, I guess i had about 8-10 of them and never had one fail. I heard they sandisk is not producing them anymore, so buy them soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted September 21, 2009 Share #30 Posted September 21, 2009 The USB ports should work as intended. I thought in M9 Leica had solved the issue. Those Sandisk cards are indeed an elegant solution, but sadly for some reason, Sandisk stopped making them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 21, 2009 Share #31 Posted September 21, 2009 The M9 is positively diabolical at transferring images to the Mac, so far. I don't have an SD card reader yet - no time, had to run off to a mate's wedding instead - so I've tried with the USB to Lightroom, and Lightroom never imports all the images. And under Mass Storage mode, the images simply refuse to copy over - spinning beachballs, etc. Not very good for a 5 grand camera - not very good for any camera. Plenty of other bugs in the firmware too, but I would have thought that these are pretty basic things to get right in the main release. Nice to use, though, battery has the suck however - hardly last any time at all. Better get used to it, I spose Vish, Are you sure you have the preferences set correctly in Image Capture. You need to run this once and get the preferences correct for your camera and the program to which you want to forward, then direct connection to the camera should work. In subsequent connections, it runs automatically in the background. It certainly works in an emergency on an M8, as I found in the USA at Xmas time when my card reader got coffee spilt on it and died. I needed to copy some images onto a DVD before I came back to the UK and did not have time to go and buy another reader. The built in SD reader in the new Mac Book Pro's is very handy and very fast. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vish Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share #32 Posted September 21, 2009 Vish, Are you sure you have the preferences set correctly in Image Capture. You need to run this once and get the preferences correct for your camera and the program to which you want to forward, then direct connection to the camera should work. In subsequent connections, it runs automatically in the background. It certainly works in an emergency on an M8, as I found in the USA at Xmas time when my card reader got coffee spilt on it and died. I needed to copy some images onto a DVD before I came back to the UK and did not have time to go and buy another reader. The built in SD reader in the new Mac Book Pro's is very handy and very fast. Wilson Hi Wilson Everything is set properly. The issue is not the connection, but the failure of the connection mid-way through transfer, whether it be direct transfer into Lightroom with PTP or Mass Storage set on, or copying of files through Finder with Mass Storage set on. Essentially, the data transfer is failing due to some protocol error, or possibly hardware failure on the camera end. It's doing it with two different Macs and two different cables. We can positively isolate it to the camera I'm avoiding all the new MBPs as I have had plenty of issues with the unibody macs in the office, and there no significant reason to upgrade. I was considering picking up one up when I leave for the America trip in November, but my current MBP is quite powerful enough, and dropping 5K+ on an M9 kit is enough for a while Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vish Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share #33 Posted September 21, 2009 I have not heard these complaints about transferring files through USB to PC. Is that because nobody tried or because it just works? It may well be a PC-Mac compatablity problem, or the way Mac and LR combined function. It is to easy to point at the camera when there is a compatability problem. It may, however be each and every of the components, or a combination thereof. I disagree slightly, as PTP and Mass Storage options are the only standards devices need to follow, Mac/PC/Linux/Android/etc, rather than PC/Mac issues. I hope it's a software rather than hardware issue. I do agree that this oversimplifies the many small issues that do indeed occur with drivers, cables and the like, but we should certainly be pushing Leica to test and improve their products rather than apologizing on their behalf. It's not a showstopper, as I've said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryharwood Posted September 21, 2009 Share #34 Posted September 21, 2009 Just as a follow on to this; the last time i bought a Leica digital from a leica dealer, his parting words to me were " what ever you do, don't download from the camera, buy a card reader !" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted September 21, 2009 Share #35 Posted September 21, 2009 Just as a follow on to this; the last time i bought a Leica digital from a leica dealer, his parting words to me were " what ever you do, don't download from the camera, buy a card reader !" Yes, and very few of us do download images that way. However, there are times (forgot or lost the card reader, etc.) when it is useful to have the option of a direct transfer via the USB port and it would be nice to know that the port does work as advertised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericperlberg Posted September 21, 2009 Share #36 Posted September 21, 2009 Are you running Snow Leapord? Mac's seems to be emulating PCs more with each operating system release. Also I think Mac would rather you used Aperture. Evidence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 21, 2009 Share #37 Posted September 21, 2009 Simplest thing to do is set the camera to Mass Storage, connect it to the Mac and open the Finder program, Mac's file management program, Browse to the cameras SD card, which should look like a removable disk, and COPY all of the image files to a folder/directory on your hard drive. Then Import them into LR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted September 21, 2009 Share #38 Posted September 21, 2009 Or are you true supporters of the idea that Leica should produce high quality products and not slack off? Selling a US$7000 camera as a 2nd generation digital product with a broken USB port is not just pushing out slackware Should I be offended? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 21, 2009 Share #39 Posted September 21, 2009 Evidence? Eric, I am having a nightmare with Snow Leopard on my late 2006 iMac (it seems more or less OK on my 2009 model MBP other than the missing drivers). Some of my programs which are still 32 bit are regularly causing system hangs and the Mac equivalent of the blue screen of death - Finder Error 10810. I have had to uninstall things like my Skype phone driver. One of my HP printers now only works in Ghostprint (HP Business Inkjet 1200D) and the updated driver for the HP B9180 seems to have killed the printer totally (all the print heads have stopped working). TWAIN no longer works properly and many scanner drivers are missing. All this is reminiscent of the debacle with Vista and it seems to me that Apple has rushed out a buggy product too fast in order to beat Windows 7 to the draw. For my iMac I am considering reverting to Leopard. If Vish is using Snow Leopard, that could easily be the problem. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted September 21, 2009 Share #40 Posted September 21, 2009 Simplest thing to do is set the camera to Mass Storage, connect it to the Mac and open the Finder program, Mac's file management program, Browse to the cameras SD card, which should look like a removable disk, and COPY all of the image files to a folder/directory on your hard drive. Then Import them into LR. HI There I just tried this as a matter of interest, and I was thinking it was all fine. But the transfer stopped half way through, and the only thing to do was to disconnect and get the tedious 'data may have been lost' message. P.S. I'm still using Leopard - this is on a 17"MBP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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