jlancasterd Posted September 19, 2009 Share #21 Posted September 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm not making any lens decisions until I get a chance to try out the new camera. As with the M8, a lot of deciding the go-to lens kit was through trial and error, experience, and contemplation. On the M8, my go-to kit ended up being the 28 Summicron and the 50 Summilux ASPH, with the CV 15 sometimes thrown in. When I first started with the M8, I expected my favorites to be the 24 Elmarit and the 35 Summilux ASPH. I suspect on the M9 my favorites will be the 35 Summilux and the 75 Summicron, with a 24 (of some sort) thrown in, but I'll have to fire a few hundred shots to see if my suspicions are correct. I imagine used lens opportunities will be very good over the next few months as people rethink their kits. I'm finding that the CV Ultron 35mm f1.7 is working quite well on the M9 - it has a very similar FOV to the CV 28mm I used on my M8, and seems to be sharp right into the corners. I used it for my first serious work with the M9 earlier today - shots of an enthusiasts special train at Blaenau Ffestiniog, for the Ffestiniog Railway Magazine. The M9 gives very neutral colour with this lens, very similar to the results I used to get with Kodachrome 200. However, I did need a +2/3EV exposure increase to get detail in the shadows in overcast conditions: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/97320-m9-what-lens-will-be-hotcold/?do=findComment&comment=1042430'>More sharing options...
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JLV Posted September 19, 2009 Share #22 Posted September 19, 2009 What are the "Cuba" photos? Where can I see them?Thanks M Hi, On Leica Website presentation of the M9. Cheers, Jean-Luc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 20, 2009 Share #23 Posted September 20, 2009 However, I did need a +2/3EV exposure increase to get detail in the shadows in overcast conditions: John, That both surprises and interests me. Do you feel the M9 is different to the M8 in this respect. I hardly ever remember using +EV on the M8, as you could always pull so much detail out of the shadows in PS or at the development stage in C1. Whenever I used +EV, I seemed to get unrecoverable blown highlights but maybe this is where the uncompressed 14 bit DNG's win out on the M9, with more detail in the highlights. Presumably you were chimping to look at shadow detail. Do you feel that when you got home, you might have been able to get that detail from the shadows, without bumping the EV or would it just not have been there. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted September 20, 2009 Share #24 Posted September 20, 2009 John, That both surprises and interests me. Do you feel the M9 is different to the M8 in this respect. I hardly ever remember using +EV on the M8, as you could always pull so much detail out of the shadows in PS or at the development stage in C1. Whenever I used +EV, I seemed to get unrecoverable blown highlights but maybe this is where the uncompressed 14 bit DNG's win out on the M9, with more detail in the highlights. Presumably you were chimping to look at shadow detail. Do you feel that when you got home, you might have been able to get that detail from the shadows, without bumping the EV or would it just not have been there. Wilson Wilson I was actually using the camera on the 'A' setting and using 5-step bracketing to check whether the meter would read the same as on the M8 in these conditions. It didn't. Probably because of the larger area metered by the M9 (i.e., the two 'grey' shutter blades as well as the white one) it seems to include more of the sky and therefore underexposes if used in the same way as the M8 - the best of the 5 bracketed shots was that at +2/3EV. I've just been out again taking engine pictures with the 35mm f1.7 Ultron, and am finding that it's best to go back to the old technique that I used with a Leicameter on an M2 in the 1960s - setting an appropriate shutter speed and pointing the camera down to exclude much of the sky whilst setting the correct aperture with the meter. I use Lightroom to 'develop' my RAW images and In the shot below I've applied +50 fill light, +50 brightness, and +25 contrast, but the contrast setting, at least, is probably lens-dependent (the image has also lost some contrast in the uploading process): Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/97320-m9-what-lens-will-be-hotcold/?do=findComment&comment=1043120'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 20, 2009 Share #25 Posted September 20, 2009 John, I don't think I am imagining it but I think (maybe just) that I can see a bit more detail in the clouds, which I found was an M8 weakness. White fluffy clouds tended to blow out on the M8 and could leave a flat 2D sky. I certainly found that on the WATE, it was very easy to over expose on the M8 and I guess with the three band exposure reflector, maybe even easier with the M9. I look forward at some point to using an M9 if mine everrrrrrr arrives. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsjxyz Posted September 20, 2009 Share #26 Posted September 20, 2009 Juat read Pop Photo 2003, if I am not mistaken the price difference between Noct 2995 and 75 lux is only $200 at $2795. I wonder how much Leica will set the price for the new 75lux asph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem7 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #27 Posted September 20, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) The two hottest lenses IMO for the M9 will be the 35 Summilux and 50 Summilux. Others that will be somewhat hot IMO will be 24 and 90. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplomley Posted September 20, 2009 Share #28 Posted September 20, 2009 From an affordability POV, Leica will probably sell more 35 Cron's than anything else. Small, discrete, great resolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted September 20, 2009 Share #29 Posted September 20, 2009 John, I don't think I am imagining it but I think (maybe just) that I can see a bit more detail in the clouds, which I found was an M8 weakness. White fluffy clouds tended to blow out on the M8 and could leave a flat 2D sky. I certainly found that on the WATE, it was very easy to over expose on the M8 and I guess with the three band exposure reflector, maybe even easier with the M9. I look forward at some point to using an M9 if mine everrrrrrr arrives. Wilson I think you may be right about the M9 handling highlights better than the M8 - although I did have to use +8 Recovery in Lightroom for the attached shot. This is an uncompressed RAW shot (the previous 2 were compressed RAW) and has received the same +25 Fill, +50 Brightness and +25 Contrast setting as the green loco. I also switched 'defringe all edges' on. Again the contrast has suffered in uploading - I don't seem to be able to get round that problem however I convert the images... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/97320-m9-what-lens-will-be-hotcold/?do=findComment&comment=1043458'>More sharing options...
mah Posted September 21, 2009 Share #30 Posted September 21, 2009 My list: 24mm 35mm 50mm 75mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted September 21, 2009 Share #31 Posted September 21, 2009 I have just bought a 11826 50 Summicron in anticipation of my M9 arriving. However, I suspect my travel kit may remain unchanged at a WATE + MATE + 35 Summilux in my Billingham and either a 90 or 75 packed in my case (where it usually stays). Wilson Mine is similar WATE + MATE, except I have a 35 cron, (also in a Billingham), and in my case I have a 24 lux, Nocti, and a 75lux. The only change might be to add my Macro 90 to my case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeplanter Posted September 21, 2009 Share #32 Posted September 21, 2009 I wonder how much Leica will set the price for the new 75lux asph Say what? A 75mm Summilux asph? Since when? Jim B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted September 21, 2009 Share #33 Posted September 21, 2009 Say what? A 75mm Summilux asph? Since when? Jim B. A Mythical creature, based on the discontinuance of the old 75 lux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 21, 2009 Share #34 Posted September 21, 2009 A Mythical creature, based on the discontinuance of the old 75 lux. I would guess it may stay mythical for some time. I feel that a 28 Lux could be higher in priorities for Leica, as I think its sales potential would be considerably higher. On the other hand they did announce the 21 and 24 Luxes simultaneously with the new Noctilux so maybe. A 75 Lux is still going to be a big lens - too big for me on an M body. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted September 21, 2009 Share #35 Posted September 21, 2009 I would guess it may stay mythical for some time. I feel that a 28 Lux could be higher in priorities for Leica, as I think its sales potential would be considerably higher. On the other hand they did announce the 21 and 24 Luxes simultaneously with the new Noctilux so maybe. A 75 Lux is still going to be a big lens - too big for me on an M body. Wilson Perhaps... but a 28 lux may be too close to the 24 lux... but one could hope. My old 75 lux is not too big... but it's not ASPH... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n Posted September 22, 2009 Share #36 Posted September 22, 2009 From an affordability POV, Leica will probably sell more 35 Cron's than anything else. Small, discrete, great resolution.+1. It's just a perfect lens really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenhillm Posted September 22, 2009 Share #37 Posted September 22, 2009 My "light weight" lens set for my M6ttl is the Tri-Elmar 28-35-50mm and the collapsible f4 Elmar 90mm with the close-focus attachment. This is a remarkably useful combination and the maximum f4 aperture is not a problem with modern film, tho' I'll admit to a slight issue with depth of focus on occasion. Just my opinion. PS I'm glad I held off buying a digital M camera now that the M9 has a full-frame sensor. I'm saving my pennies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted September 22, 2009 Share #38 Posted September 22, 2009 I collected a Summarit 35/f2.5 this afternoon, trading in my 35mm Ultron. First impression is that the Summarit is very well made, better designed than the Ultron, with nice smooth focussing, and small enough that it doesn't intrude so much into the viewfinder image on an M9 - without the lens hood that is. I've a 39mm UV filter and a lens hood on order and look forward to putting the lens through it's paces on the M9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 22, 2009 Share #39 Posted September 22, 2009 so far I really like 21/2.8asph, 35lux asph (IMO maybe most interesting lens together with 50asph) and the 50asph. For travel the tri 28-35-50 is very nice and usefull. 75/90 I also like. 135 seems really hard to focus accurate, I guess I wont use it much and might sell it. 24 - for me its just inbetween - I think 21 for the more extreme/dynamic look or 28/35 for the more neutral look. 21/24 lux sounds very nice - but frankly I really dont know if I would really need such spped in an wideangle. If - I would prefer 21. 50 Nocti - same here-I guess the 50asph is fast enough for me. If the new Nocti does not suffer from front focus it could be a dream lens - but does it really do much more than a 50asph could do? Lets see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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