Riley Posted September 13, 2009 Share #41 Â Posted September 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anybody has an idea about how big the lenses would have to be with a Large Sensor like this? Â Would it make sense on this small body? Â Could they fit an M mount on the X- series? Â provably no different to Epson's RD1, yes it could have had an M mount, but would relay the same issues as RD1 did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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johnastovall Posted September 13, 2009 Share #42  Posted September 13, 2009 What I want to see in an X2.  No Zoom a faster lens f/2.0 No interchangeable lenses  I shoot a GR-DII for my P&S and just don't see the point in zooms but a faster lens will be need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleran Posted September 13, 2009 Share #43  Posted September 13, 2009 What I want to see in an X2.  No Zoom a faster lens f/2.0 No interchangeable lenses  To have another camera for collectors ? X2 must be very different if Leica want to stay in the market. X2 is better having M mount than mFT. X2, if designed properly, could really be innovative. More than X1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnastovall Posted September 13, 2009 Share #44 Â Posted September 13, 2009 To have another camera for collectors ?X2 must be very different if Leica want to stay in the market. X2 is better having M mount than mFT. X2, if designed properly, could really be innovative. More than X1. Â No, to have basic function camera for the photographer not the snap shot takers. Â Ricoh seems to to very well with the GR-D line and I see no reason Leica can not given the larger sensor. Most innovation today in cameras today seems to just be adding complexity and unused functions, not providing a simple photographic tool. Â Oh, no video ever..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted September 13, 2009 Share #45 Â Posted September 13, 2009 This is the camera I want. Sure.. I'd like a view finder. Sure... I'm not thrilled with the telescopic lens. But from the standpoint of functionality, build quality and what I perceive will be nice handling and superb image quality, I know I can make GREAT photos with this camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
felipe-m Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share #46 Â Posted September 13, 2009 No, to have basic function camera for the photographer not the snap shot takers. Â How would interchangeable lenses make it for "snap shot takers" and not for photographers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 13, 2009 Share #47 Â Posted September 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am a snap shot taker, a fixed lens suits many a snap shot taker...........people also buy my snapshots( a bonus)...... Anybody has an idea about how big the lenses would have to be with a Large Sensor like this? Â Would it make sense on this small body? Â Could they fit an M mount on the X- series? provably no different to Epson's RD1, yes it could have had an M mount, but would relay the same issues as RD1 did As a epson user the I see no point in the X1 emulating the epson or the m8 ........ buy a used m8 and change lenses to your heart's content Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted September 14, 2009 Share #48 Â Posted September 14, 2009 I think Imants is right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 14, 2009 Share #49 Â Posted September 14, 2009 Who would like an interchangeable-lense X2? I would if it has a decent viewfinder. I might accept an excellent EVIL if need be but the X1 is not my cup of tea at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krabat Posted September 14, 2009 Share #50 Â Posted September 14, 2009 I would if it has a decent viewfinder. I might accept an excellent EVIL if need be but the X1 is not my cup of tea at all. Right. Â Referring to the interchangeable lens, as long as a lens has the same magnificient properties as the Digilux 2 lens, there is no need to change it. Â Regards, Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majid Posted September 14, 2009 Share #51 Â Posted September 14, 2009 The X1 is about minimizing size while still maintaining true Leica quality (i.e. not Panasonic rebadge job). An APS-C size sensor at least is required for quality, which limits how compact it can be. I don't think Leica can fit an interchangeable lens flange and an extending lens design in the same form factor. I am planning on getting both a M9 and X1, they are complementary and interchangeable lenses on the X1 are superfluous as far as I am concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted September 14, 2009 Share #52  Posted September 14, 2009 sign me up for fixed focal length 35mm (equiv) / f2.0, but i'll take the current f2.8 on the huge APS sensor.  small, simple, speedy..... leica quality  no screwing with large, pricey zooms or which lens to buy next or how many lenses to drag with me on vacation.  it's been done before (leica CM and konica hexar AF) .... let's do it in digital. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
felipe-m Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share #53 Â Posted September 14, 2009 I am planning on getting both a M9 and X1, they are complementary and interchangeable lenses on the X1 are superfluous as far as I am concerned. Â If one is getting an M9, and maybe keeping one M8 as M-mount digi backup, I would agree... Buuuuut, the M8 seems discontinued, and it's not very pocketable or "cheap" anyway, as entry-level systems should be... and most people's pockets are not deep enough to get a second M9 So, enter a future X2 that takes M lenses, but also has it own line of cheaper lenses, starting with the *already existing* C line from the CL... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleran Posted September 14, 2009 Share #54 Â Posted September 14, 2009 I do not think that a new X2 with interchangeable lenses would ruin sales of the M9 and I think to have a single model with M sistem in the catalog could be a problem, especially in terms of trade. With a new model there would be much more interest in the M system and that substantial benefits would result in the market. So, ok for the X1, but only if this does not remain an isolated project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip Posted September 14, 2009 Share #55 Â Posted September 14, 2009 I think that an X2 with interchangeble lens can be a strong conquering instrument for Leica attrating people that do not like or fear complicated camera. Unfortunaly, still now, someone even showing highly respect for Leica, fell the camera too difficult. An X2 with either interchangeable lens or a fixed moderate zoom can have a large space. Look how many buy japanese reflex with one zoom lens and never buy any new lens. This means that this customer look for quality even if bulky camera. Leica is a prestigious brand. How many buy prestigious wrist watch just to show... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
regedit Posted September 15, 2009 Share #56 Â Posted September 15, 2009 my dream about X2 is a simple one. same body with double dials for fast operations, a non-retractable 50mm equiv. with 1.4 and, of course focus ring on the objective. i'll sell my car for that camera, and trust me, i have a citroen c4 not a garbage car. Â let's see if leica can fulfill my dream! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bernd Banken Posted September 15, 2009 Share #57  Posted September 15, 2009 So, how does every other camera manufacturer on the planet with a tiered product line stay in business? For one thing you have to keep in mind that a roll of Tri-X shot in a CL or M4 produces the exact same result, because the 'sensor' is the same. With the exception of the D700 and D3 no digital camera follows that rule.  CL-D vs M9  - APS-C/H vs full frame - Lower MP count (10-12MP vs 18MP) - The RF unit would be good, but not as good as the M-series. - Limited set of framelines (35/50/90 or 28/35/50/75) - If it had a fixed lens, it would not have the flexibility of the M-series. - Made in China  D300 sales have not killed the D700. The 5D-II has not killed the 1Ds-III  The very small market demand for RF cameras cannot support two cameras with this concept. If so, Leica could produce a "naked" M8 as an entry level RF. And, more important, millions of people are accustomed to rear screen photography and since 1965 millions of photographers left RF cameras behind as we know.....  And Minolta would not accept any order from Leica as for the CLs...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted September 17, 2009 Share #58 Â Posted September 17, 2009 Given how the CL almost killed the M, I think the X line should be a fixed lens one. At this moment despite my beef with the lack of built-in VF, manual focus ring and distance markers on the lens, I'm already saving up to get an X1. Perhaps the price could be scaled back by say $500, to put some distance between the X1 and the used M8 market. Â For the X2: I do hope Leica will come out with a tri-elmar-like version (with maybe 28-50-70?). Meaning, not a zoom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 17, 2009 Share #59 Â Posted September 17, 2009 Given how the CL almost killed the M... What's this story? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted September 17, 2009 Share #60 Â Posted September 17, 2009 What's this story? Â Sorry. Should have said "almost killed off Leica", since CL sales ended up cannibalising M5 sales, thus starving the company of the more lucrative margins of the premium product. Â In the same way, cheap clones merely siphoned off sales from high-margin Power Macs without really attracting new customers to the platform, almost killing Apple before Jobs came back and pulled the plug. So Leica's decision to make a stark differentiation between the X and M series is one that I can understand -- and support -- completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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