krabat Posted September 7, 2009 Share #161 Posted September 7, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) ....Just guessing, though. One more day and we'll know for sure... Oh yes! There will be a "Forum meeting" in the store of our local Leica dealer here in Tübingen on Wednesday, where the new products will be introduced to us, and I have heard that a Leica representative will come with some "hardware"! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 7, 2009 Posted September 7, 2009 Hi krabat, Take a look here X1 discussion thread (merged). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
meatboy Posted September 7, 2009 Share #162 Posted September 7, 2009 Will the X1 be available in all black? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted September 7, 2009 Share #163 Posted September 7, 2009 If you have something to say, man-up and say it. Otherwise.... well, it doesn't matter, you've already demonstrated your true character. So... just go away. I'm VERY for real... I can tell. Later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted September 8, 2009 Share #164 Posted September 8, 2009 About the viewfinder - surely Panasonic is involved with this, their new m43 camera have a optional EVF, it would not take much imagination to use that dedicated hot-shoe contact and offer the optional EVF from panasonic (possible with a leica branding to make the leica religious feel better about it.) A fixed lens camera with great glass and user interface, have the potential to be a real winner. the most important job for a camera is to not get in the way of the photographer. leica know how to design cameras to be transparent and easy. They don't even need to make this a "main camera" kind of choice, but simply a camera that enough users stick in their jacket or camera back for "that moment", that would make it a smashing success right there. I'm guessing the camera is probably competent enough, that if one of my leica's failed on the job, I could hang it over my shoulder and keep shooting most jobs with the X1, the client would probably think I wanted the X1 for a special look over whatever is hanging on my shoulder. surely 12megapix is plenty for a wedding backup. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikasmg Posted September 8, 2009 Share #165 Posted September 8, 2009 .....and there are DSLR's with 4/3rds sensors:eek:. The whole Olympus line, a couple of Panasonics and a Leica... - Vikas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted September 8, 2009 Share #166 Posted September 8, 2009 It really needs an EVF or forget manual focus using the LCD. Clearly it doesn't have an optical finder built in. Next, it really needs Panasonic quick AF. If it is the typical slow AF on Live View DSLRs the GF-1 is going to run rings around it. I don't care how good the lens is or isn't. The truth is that virtually all of these cameras will either perform in camera lens corrections or contain the lens correction info in the file. Leica tends to try and make the correction in camera which makes it more difficult to ascertain real sensor/lens performance and Panasonic and Oly tend to put the info in the file to be processed in the raw converter unless you use their JPGs. That is why the M8 uses coded lenses and when you fail to properly code a lens you see the fall off and color shift in the corners. The advantage to the Leica method is that you don't need to worry about your raw processing software knowing how to use the data to correct the lens or sensor problems. The disadvantage is that you don't get a true image file unless you use an uncoded lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjmike Posted September 8, 2009 Share #167 Posted September 8, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) About the viewfinder - surely Panasonic is involved with this, their new m43 camera have a optional EVF, it would not take much imagination to use that dedicated hot-shoe contact and offer the optional EVF from panasonic (possible with a leica branding to make the leica religious feel better about it.). From the pics I've seen of the Panny GF-1, the optional EVF doesn't connect electronically thru the hotshoe. It certainly slides into the hotshoe, but the actual connectors are on the back of the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted September 8, 2009 Share #168 Posted September 8, 2009 Sorry Mike, I seemed to remember it was in the hot-shoe, but the function is the same. the EVF would give a viewfinder. though if a focus indicator is available then a optical viewfinder on top might be a very interesting. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
like_no_other Posted September 8, 2009 Share #169 Posted September 8, 2009 ...And no obvious viewfinder. ... Sure about that? I couldn't read the whole thread. But if there are no other facts like photos I would say that if you push the circle at the top left side of the camera (it's a button) this part of the camera moves upwards and you have your viewfinder. If you don't need it or before you store the camera in your shirt pocket you just push the button again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 8, 2009 Share #170 Posted September 8, 2009 I suspect the X1 really is a Leica-remodelled sibling of the soon-to-be-ammounced Samsung NX which also sports a 1.5x APS-C 12MP CMOS sensor ... time will tell. A clip-on EVF or OVF should be easy. The lack of information leak on this camera probably means it's not finished yet so all we need to do is to wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjmike Posted September 8, 2009 Share #171 Posted September 8, 2009 Sorry Mike, I seemed to remember it was in the hot-shoe, but the function is the same. the EVF would give a viewfinder. though if a focus indicator is available then a optical viewfinder on top might be a very interesting. . Nothing to be sorry about! Personally, I like having an EVF (presuming its one of the higher quality ones) to go along with the LCD on the back of digital cameras. I much prefer putting my eye to a viewfinder -- if not optical, then electronic -- rather than rely on that LCD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Mitchum Posted September 8, 2009 Share #172 Posted September 8, 2009 The size of the camera seems to be between the D-Lux 4 and the M9. What about the Viewfinder? Is it an EVF or external OVF? It seems too big of a camera not to have a built-in VF. I do not think is the same size of the D-Lux 4 or even a M4/3. Using the hotshoe as a reference point it would appear that it is quite small. It's similar in size to the Sigma DP1 but wider and thicker though not quite as tall. I see no way an EVF could fit on there unless that is why they made it wider. Being wider it could either leave more room for more grip space or to push the LCD over to the right to make room for an EVF. It would have to be to the left of the LCD as there is no room above it as on larger cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hektor6644 Posted September 8, 2009 Share #173 Posted September 8, 2009 Using the hotshoe as a reference point it would appear that it is quite small. It's similar in size to the Sigma DP1 but wider and thicker though not quite as tall. I see no way an EVF could fit on there unless that is why they made it wider. Being wider it could either leave more room for more grip space or to push the LCD over to the right to make room for an EVF. It would have to be to the left of the LCD as there is no room above it as on larger cameras. Hi: Thanks for your response. What you said, makes a lot of sense. It has to be some kind of a camera. I have three digitals, now (D-Lux 4, D300, and D700.) If I get the X1, one of them has to go, probably the D300 and the 3 Nikon DX lenses. I won’t get stuck with a fourth digital that will become obsolete in 3 – 4 years. I will look into it, though. Best regards, Ramesses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatboy Posted September 8, 2009 Share #174 Posted September 8, 2009 Will the X1 be available in all black? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted September 8, 2009 Share #175 Posted September 8, 2009 If there is no built-in VF then the X1 will certainly need an accessory option, and that will need to to be an EVF if focusing is to be achieved without staring at the rear LCD or relying upon AF or zone focus. As I said earlier though, if Leica were to use Panasonic technology then it needs to be from the G1/GH1(whilst not perfect, arguably the best of the breed so far) rather than the GF1, which is reported to have a much slower and lower resolution EVF than it's larger siblings. Panasonic's contrast detect AF is also rumoured to be very good, much better than the Olympus version on the EP-1 for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted September 8, 2009 Share #176 Posted September 8, 2009 I suspect the X1 really is a Leica-remodelled sibling of the soon-to-be-ammounced Samsung NX which also sports a 1.5x APS-C 12MP CMOS sensor ... time will tell....... As I hinted at earlier Simon;), and Leica did mention 'other alliances', or something similar, in the recent financial report:eek:. The NX10 is reportedly delayed until early 2010 though..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted September 8, 2009 Share #177 Posted September 8, 2009 It would be elegant if Leica supplied both an optical viewfinder and an EVF so one can choose which. And AF is then confirmed with a light near the eye on the camera when the LCD is turned off (as I recall it has on the D-Lux 4). But even more elegant if Leica provide the solution I've mentioned (plagued) for before: An optical viewfinder with a preview screen inside so one can see the shot on the screen inside the viewfinder after it was taken and adjust exposure accordingly. That is one BIG advantage in the Digilux 2, that you can check your picture in the viewfinder and adjust the camera without having to remove the eye, light up the whole venue with the LCD or other. You simply work in silence and dark, yet you have all information i the viewfinder, including the previews. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted September 8, 2009 Share #178 Posted September 8, 2009 I'm betting this is a camera with a heart and soul. That's what will make you want to use it. <snip> Seriously, I have a feeling this is going to be a must have camera. Cameras with hearts are just too hard to hold still when the exposure time gets over 1/30 sec. I'd far rather have a decent optical viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted September 8, 2009 Share #179 Posted September 8, 2009 ......... I'd far rather have a decent optical viewfinder. Who wouldn't John, but unless they throw in a rangefinder or mirror that's an unlikely solution, if focussing through the VF is important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted September 8, 2009 Share #180 Posted September 8, 2009 Who wouldn't John, but unless they throw in a rangefinder or mirror that's an unlikely solution, if focussing through the VF is important. Focusing through the VF isn't important with a 24mm lens (35 EFOV) at moderate apertures, provided Leica have remembered to provide a decent distance scale on the camera. A DOF scale or other way of setting hyperfocal distances would be nice too; the Ricohs do it quite neatly. It'd be like working with a Leica 1 or Rollei 35 or whatever ... with autofocus and the monitor to help with close-ups and wide-open shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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