innerimager Posted September 6, 2009 Share #181 Posted September 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, a lot of people will prefer this because having 160 rather than 80 as the base ISO results in ISO 2500 being better. —Mitch/Potomac, MD Scratching the Surface© well Mitch of course I wanted a great low noise iso 2500 with a superb, optimized Iso 80, not a compromised iso 2500. Can't always get what one wants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 6, 2009 Posted September 6, 2009 Hi innerimager, Take a look here M9 full specs and pictures are out. Let's discuss.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
henning Posted September 6, 2009 Share #182 Posted September 6, 2009 Yeah - I didn't understand that either. Unless they think that with the extra Mp, no-one will care about having to crop a bit off the sides... which would tend to indicate that they just don't get it... There are many things about the stated M9 specs I'm quite happy about. This is one of them. The 2m framelines just don't make any sense to me. I'v shot M's for a long time, and I'd like things like the framelines to work the same as previously. Nothing worse than having some cameras show you different frame lines than other bodies, and certainly I don't want a camera that indicates I'll get something in the frame that won't show up there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freecitizen Posted September 6, 2009 Share #183 Posted September 6, 2009 The rumoured M9 sounds fabulous - but - It sounds like the M8/M8.2 will be better for taking infrared pictures. I may well get the M9, but I will keep my M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henning Posted September 6, 2009 Share #184 Posted September 6, 2009 The things I'd like to see in the M9 but which aren't addressed are: 1. Wake-up time. Yes, I know that you can touch the shutter button and a second later it'll be ready. In the meantime, it isn't and life goes on without the shot. 2. Write speed. How fast does the buffer clear? It seems the buffer has about the same capacity; ie, about 8 frames instead of 7 but how soon can you take the next shot? The M8 sometimes is too slow. 3. What is the dynamic range/noise at higher ISO's? For low light the M8 often performs best if the ISO is kept to 640, and the shot underexposed so that it can be boosted in post. That often gets me a better file than shooting at 1250 or 2500. If 2500 on the M9 has high dynamic range, and is quite clean then effective 12000 might well be achievable. There are more things, but these would be excellent. For various reasons, including excellent IR response, I'll keep one M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted September 6, 2009 Share #185 Posted September 6, 2009 In the brochure, the legends under each of the photographs shows the aperture. Should we assume that the aperture value is now captured in the Exif data? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted September 6, 2009 Share #186 Posted September 6, 2009 In the brochure, the legends under each of the photographs shows the aperture. Should we assume that the aperture value is now captured in the Exif data? No, because in no way is the aperture ring coupled with the lens mount, it would have to be a new lens type with both an rotary encoder and electronic contacts on the lens and in the mount. A good example of how it does work mechanically is with Nikon's F mount / aperture ring coupling, that does send aperture data to the camera, including manual focus lenses like AI / AIS and Zeiss ZF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshore Posted September 6, 2009 Share #187 Posted September 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) The rumoured M9 sounds fabulous - but - It sounds like the M8/M8.2 will be better for taking infrared pictures. I may well get the M9, but I will keep my M8. This is where there is a big ? freecitizen since the M8(2) are no longer in the brochure does that mean Leica will drop support for them and renig on their promise of an upgradeable camera. I want to keep my M8 for the same reasons as you and don't need an M9 but don't want my M8 to end up in the electronic scrap heap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colorflow Posted September 6, 2009 Share #188 Posted September 6, 2009 No, because in no way is the aperture ring coupled with the lens mount, it would have to be a new lens type with both an rotary encoder and electronic contacts on the lens and in the mount. A good example of how it does work mechanically is with Nikon's F mount / aperture ring coupling, that does send aperture data to the camera, including manual focus lenses like AI / AIS and Zeiss ZF. The aperture setting is estimated by comparing the light detected by the blue dot above the red dot logo and the metered light. This info has always been in the M8 exif file. You can use PhotoMe to easily read out all the exif info. Leica probably has improved this estimate and is making it more accessible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikasmg Posted September 6, 2009 Share #189 Posted September 6, 2009 Anyone knows what this 'auto ISO shift function', which apparently increases the sensitivity when the shutter speed falls below hand-holdable levels, is about? I can't find any mention of "Auto ISO shift" in the brochure. Can you point me to where this might be? - Vikas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted September 6, 2009 Share #190 Posted September 6, 2009 This is where there is a big ? freecitizen since the M8(2) are no longer in the brochure does that mean Leica will drop support for them and renig on their promise of an upgradeable camera. I want to keep my M8 for the same reasons as you and don't need an M9 but don't want my M8 to end up in the electronic scrap heap. Digital imaging is still not Leica's strong suit, it is new to them even now. I don't think they should have made the promises they did on the M8, there is only so much they can do before they are basically supporting a dead end product. That was one of oh, half a dozen reasons I bailed on the camera, it was just a gut instinct that upgrades would only amount to so much. What more can be done with the M8 that won't cost the company or the end user a fortune? Who knows, maybe they will surprise you? I think you can count on support for the existing product, but I am not so sure in terms of upgrades. Leica is not Canon or Nikon, they are a small niche company and they need to move onward and upward, I just don't think it is fair to expect them to keep on offering upgrades on a camera that was fairly flawed from the outset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted September 6, 2009 Share #191 Posted September 6, 2009 The aperture setting is estimated by comparing the light detected by the blue dot above the red dot logo and the metered light. This info has always been in the M8 exif file. You can use PhotoMe to easily read out all the exif info. Leica probably has improved this estimate and is making it more accessible. Did not know that, thanks.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 6, 2009 Share #192 Posted September 6, 2009 RE: framelines - Always better to have to crop out something the camera left in, than find out something crucial is missing because the framelines were too "loose". Photographers who make their reputations with Leica M work in close and intimate, so 1 meter is a good choice, provided Leica remembered, this time, that digital images don't have slide mounts. RE: aperture data - well, originally, the little blue-dot meter above the red dot was supposed to provide a measure of scene brightness that could be compared to the ttl metered brightness and make an estimate of the aperture in use. Bright scene + dark image = small aperture. In the M8 this was implemented in the beta firmware (I have some beta shots that show the aperture in use - not very accurately), but pulled from production firmware [edit: well, at least as far as ACR can read it. Alan may be right that it's still in there somewhere] because it was such a rough estimate (WAG might be more accurate). In the M9 sample pix: a) it has now been implemented the photographer took notes while shooting c) the photographer made a WAG based on memory and habits - "Ja, this is probably f/4." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colorflow Posted September 6, 2009 Share #193 Posted September 6, 2009 In the M8 this was implemented in the beta firmware (I have some beta shots that show the aperture in use - not very accurately), but pulled from production firmware [edit: well, at least as far as ACR can read it. Alan may be right that it's still in there somewhere] because it was such a rough estimate (WAG might be more accurate). ." Actually it is still in the M8's latest firmware. Just needs to be dug out. Most of the time it is quite accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted September 6, 2009 Share #194 Posted September 6, 2009 Based on the image in the brochure which shows the 28mm Brightline finder, would the outer limits of the finder be closer to the 21 or 24? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_m Posted September 6, 2009 Share #195 Posted September 6, 2009 Does anyone really know if the sapphire LCD cover is going to be on the M9? Some very early posts on this thread suggested it won't be but it seems crazy for Leica to leave this out and thus go backwards unless the cost would truly not allow for it to be included. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_mcdermott Posted September 6, 2009 Share #196 Posted September 6, 2009 Personally, I'd far prefer a price cut for the camera than the sapphire cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted September 6, 2009 Share #197 Posted September 6, 2009 I'd be stunned if the sapphire LCD cover were dropped. It would make absolutely no sense at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psss Posted September 6, 2009 Share #198 Posted September 6, 2009 after reading the brochure...and this thread a couple of things stand out: 16 bit capture....just like the m8 but in this case leica lets us decide if we want compressed or not.....should make for a very slight but noticeable increase in DR..... canon, nikon are all 14bit....DMF backs are all 16bit....but many would argue that there is no 16 capture....14bit at best...either way this was already in place with the m8... iso: it clearly says 80 pulled....so we are looking in a pulled 160 which will be a 160 with smaller DR....i was really hoping for 80 or 100......160 with 1/180 flash sync means no low f-stop outdoor flash.....again...just like the m8.... iso 2500.....some people here are expecting clean, noisefree 2500...comparable to canon or nikon.....this is simply not possible with ccd...you can't have everything.....i would be happy with semi clean 800.....at least 1 or 2 stops worse then canon or nikon.....the real problem with ccd is as always the DR (and not only the increasing noise...) which just tanks with high iso.....much, much worse then cmos......phase, hasselblad, leaf, sinar none of these backs really go past 800, so i don't expect a miracle from leica....decent 1250 would be a miracle..... i love the photography in the brochure but i would not judge anything form it....heavy, heavy post and not all available light.....but great stuff...... they don't say anything about saphire glass.....my only experience is with the m8 and i have never had a camera (lcd screen) that scratched more easily.....none of my canon, nikon, phase, anything every had a single scratch.....i really hope they did SOMETHING.... the shutter release options sound interesting...i am not sure i understand completely....there is a "stealth" mode? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted September 6, 2009 Share #199 Posted September 6, 2009 the shutter release options sound interesting...i am not sure i understand completely....there is a "stealth" mode? Discreet mode - rewind occurs after the shutter button is released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted September 6, 2009 Share #200 Posted September 6, 2009 Does anyone really know if the sapphire LCD cover is going to be on the M9? Some very early posts on this thread suggested it won't be but it seems crazy for Leica to leave this out and thus go backwards unless the cost would truly not allow for it to be included. On the S2, sapphire glass is optional, and rather expensive. Maybe they are trying to hold to a price point somewhere below geostationary orbit. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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