andybarton Posted September 5, 2009 Share #101 Posted September 5, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Think the administration of this forum prefers if we talk about rumours and not about brochures.... You may talk about whatever you like, just please do not post the images, pdfs or links to the website that has now been taken down. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 5, 2009 Posted September 5, 2009 Hi andybarton, Take a look here M9 full specs and pictures are out. Let's discuss.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
efftee Posted September 5, 2009 Share #102 Posted September 5, 2009 (edited) How usable have ISO 50, 64 and 100 been at times of film? For me, mostly on landscape photography with the camera on a tripod, which is not how I use my M8, I'm afraid. Edited September 5, 2009 by efftee context Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpattinson Posted September 5, 2009 Share #103 Posted September 5, 2009 James, It apparently has a CMOS sensor, which suggests live view. Pete. Yes - but live view VF, or live view at arms length - that I think is the question., Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted September 5, 2009 Share #104 Posted September 5, 2009 How usable have ISO 50, 64 and 100 been at times of film? I've done most of my shooting on the M8 @ ISO 160 and in the times of film, Kodachrome 25 was my standard issue for years, and later followed by Fuji Velvia 50. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 5, 2009 Share #105 Posted September 5, 2009 James, It apparently has a CMOS sensor, which suggests live view. Pete. That's no substitute fior a proper viewfinder, IMHO. This is so nearly a camera that I might buy, but if I have to use it with my arms outstretched, I am not interested. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted September 5, 2009 Share #106 Posted September 5, 2009 (edited) Just wondering, how usable really is ISO 80; I've hardly ever a chance to shoot at ISO 160. You're betraying your youth! Some of us remember the early 1960s when ISO 160 colour film was labelled 'High Speed' - there was only the one (High Speed Ektachrome) with 'grain like footballs'! 'Normal' colour film was in the range of ISO 25 to 50... A few years earlier the standard Kodachrome was all of ISO 10 Edited September 5, 2009 by jlancasterd Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 5, 2009 Share #107 Posted September 5, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) How usable have ISO 50, 64 and 100 been at times of film? I regularly use film at 32 ASA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efftee Posted September 5, 2009 Share #108 Posted September 5, 2009 You're betraying your youth! Some of us remember the early 1960s when ISO 160 colour film was labelled 'High Speed' - there was only the one (High Speed Ektachrome) with 'grain like footballs'! 'Normal' colour film was in the range of ISO 25 to 50... Best compliment I've heard in a long while! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted September 5, 2009 Share #109 Posted September 5, 2009 That's no substitute fior a proper viewfinder, IMHO. This is so nearly a camera that I might buy, but if I have to use it with my arms outstretched, I am not interested. Same here Andy. Someone suggested in another thread it may have an EVF viewfinder on the rear, I doubt it though. It really should have had a good optical finder given it's a fixed lens camera too. OK there will be the shoe mounted finder but then that means no flash, so it becomes limited in application which is a pity. Still we don't know the full spec yet... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted September 5, 2009 Share #110 Posted September 5, 2009 James, rumors were that the round thing on the left shoulder is a pop-up flash. push and pop. you can use a 35mm finder in the hot shooe and have the pop up at the same time... maybe. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 5, 2009 Share #111 Posted September 5, 2009 @Andy Barton - since the X1 has a fixed lens (FoV = "35mm") just get a 35mm accesory finder - Leica, Canon, Nikon, Voigtlander to put in the oh-so-Barnacklike accesory shoe. Folks, it may not be on this site (for reasons I understand) - but just google "Leica M9 brochure" - you'll find all the links you need. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efftee Posted September 5, 2009 Share #112 Posted September 5, 2009 That's no substitute fior a proper viewfinder, IMHO. This is so nearly a camera that I might buy, but if I have to use it with my arms outstretched, I am not interested. It's an altogether different form of photography, Andy. You don't even think where the arms are -- you should try it. I'm half embarrassed to say that I've probably made more pictures with my iPhone than M8 recently! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted September 5, 2009 Share #113 Posted September 5, 2009 Mike, Glad i did not design that, would have been tempted to put the MP revind knob in there where it belong but with a multi function - turn for exp-comp - push once and turn to set ISO. push again to return to exp-comp... (or easier, pull up to set iso down for exp-comp) . Bo- I like the way you're thinking! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted September 5, 2009 Share #114 Posted September 5, 2009 Interesting to note that Leica included lots of shots of synthetic fibre clothing this time - i assume to prove a point? Strangely though the brochure lacked any caucasian skin examples. I'm not reading anything in to that at all but you might expect a mix of people shots with different tones. Brochure leak: I'm thinking that there's someone out there staring at a pink slip pretty darn soon ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker Posted September 5, 2009 Share #115 Posted September 5, 2009 It's an altogether different form of photography, Andy. You don't even think where the arms are -- you should try it. What nonsense! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twittle Posted September 5, 2009 Share #116 Posted September 5, 2009 Strangely though the brochure lacked any caucasian skin examples. Except the famous b&w image of Che. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugat Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share #117 Posted September 5, 2009 That's what it looks like to me. Certainly a 24. So that's around the same FOV as a 35mm on a full frame camera. So the Olympus E-P1 optical VF will just fit fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efftee Posted September 5, 2009 Share #118 Posted September 5, 2009 What nonsense! Ah, my cocky friend on my case again. Have you checked out my comments on other threads yet? Lots for you to rubbish today! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted September 5, 2009 Share #119 Posted September 5, 2009 To get back on topic. As an unreconstructed film-only user, who reads these threads purely out of interest, can I ask the following. Is there any indication on how Leica solved the formidable technical problems associated with the highly oblique rays of the short M system back-focus distance and a full frame sensor? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted September 5, 2009 Share #120 Posted September 5, 2009 (edited) That's no substitute fior a proper viewfinder, IMHO. This is so nearly a camera that I might buy, but if I have to use it with my arms outstretched, I am not interested. I like the X1 body shape and agree that it looks like a Leica 1A. It looks like it will be very compact and light, which means it's pretty much pocketable. I wish it had an optical viewfinder. Even if it was a less sophisticated RF unit, as was used in the CL. I fear that as is the case all other EVF cameras, there will be too much display lag and tearing to allow decisive moment shots. They would have to seriously crank up the fps of the display to overcome that problem. Maybe they can do that with Maestro only having to crunch data coming off an APS-C sensor. That's a lot, lot less data than what it's handling for the M9 and S2... Agree about how awkward it would be to do something like street photography with the camera held in front of you and your arms stretched out... Leica should take a look at the Winogrand videos on YouTube. That's how a lot of us shoot (just not quite as fast or good...) I pray that Leica has a very clever implementation of scale focusing. That way at least you could put an optical brightline finder on it, preset focus to 2.5 or 5 meters and blast away, as long as you can shoot between f5.6 - f16 and a reasonable shutter speed. Otherwise it's a D-LUX 5, with a bigger sensor and killer fixed focus lens. If scale focusing is well implemented it wouldn't be as flexible as an M-body, but as good as shooting with an LTM in daylight. Maybe Leica will make a few variations of the camera, just like they did with the LTM bodies. Some had RF units, others didn't. I'm very curious about the price. Anyone want to take a guess? $999 (ha ha ha...) $1500 $1999 $2500 More? Edited September 5, 2009 by thrid Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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