mwilliamsphotography Posted August 31, 2009 Share #21 Posted August 31, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry, this sounds like a one sided exaggeration to puff you up and diminish someone else so you feel more important and cool with your little Leica. If the Pro did act that way, you now are also acting in a similar manner IMO. The photos you posted look shallow and flat like most P&S cameras do. Most wedding clients probably wouldn't note the difference because they are more interested in content, but some may if you miss focus the processionals or other events at a wedding. It's fun and easy to shoot wedding photos when there is no responsibility attached to doing so. Maybe even more fun and easy to dis those busting a hump trying to make a living at it ... surrounded with a bunch of puffed up shooters that use their friend or loved ones wedding as a photo op instead of being a guest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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elgenper Posted August 31, 2009 Share #22 Posted August 31, 2009 ....If you want to check the cameras capability you have to view Thorstens site or Thawley for workflow. I admit to being a complete copy cat in those respects in the hope of a learning curve. My experience is that it´s worth it to follow those routines as the result are just better. .... Very good advice, indeed. I´ve owned my D2 for four years, and I certainly still find lots to learn from John and Thorsten. Another good source is Andy Piper´s review on PhotoNet. I have a question for either/both John and Thorsten: You both describe how firing a burst of shots will increase the chances of getting at least one sharp one at low shutter speeds. What I can´t find on your web sites is whether you select the low or the high burst rate in the menu (I´d guess the high, but it would be fun to know your practice)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenor1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share #23 Posted August 31, 2009 Hi Fotografz, What do you mean by the photos looking flat and how do you prevent it or improve it? I agree with part of your statement regarding being guests and not interfering or competing with the "Pro." Thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RASO Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share #24 Posted August 31, 2009 Oh, oh please all relax!!!! I did not want to crit, diminish, insult or compare myself to any wedding pro´s work. Sorry if I portraited that feeling. As to the fotos, they were not posted as a comparison to any professional work but to demonstrate as stated the ill-timing and focusing problems. I do honestly admit that it makes me smile when someone notices the D2, but believe it or not I got the camera because I felt it to be the best for learning, being quiet and unobtrusive. I hope this clarifies the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstevens Posted August 31, 2009 Share #25 Posted August 31, 2009 I did a wedding yesterday - with my two D700, and mixture of 70-200 f/2.8 VR, 24-70 f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 blah blah blah. There was a shooter that caught my eye, he had a Canon rig I think, film. On a bracket with some sort of hammer head flash on it. He certainly wasn't paid by B&G, as that was my job And most of the time he didnt get in the way...but a couple of times he did. First time when doing groups. I stepped back and bumped into him. I didnt appologise, as I dont have time. However I did anounce to look directly at me....which is when the mother of the bride agreed and told said "uncle fred" that he wasnt being paid to be in the way lol. Now I wasnt bothered by this chap, threatened, or in the least bit concerned. There was however another spot where the vintage car had just dropped of B&G at the reception and I was then concerntrating on getting a couple of detail shots....a few more creative than the standard "from the front" and who should appear right in my lens - yep "uncle fred" taking the standard "from the front" image. This DID annoy me and as there was no-one else there I firmly asked him to move out of my shot as the car had to leave shortly. He moved, sheepishly inside and I didnt see him again. The driver did chuckle. The upshot is, I care little about others with cameras, as long as they keep out of my way - not because I am an ass, but because I am paid to be quick thinking, creative and expected to capture the day. If I have to keep waiting for someone else to move or take their own shots, then moments and money are lost. If however I met someone there with a Leica, I would go out of my way to try to have a chat with them...but again they need to stay to the side when I am working. I agree to come on her and bleat, is as poor as the "pro" tog and are you really sure he was that rude? If you are so concerned you should really have put yourself forward to do the job. Please remember that wedding photography only starts with the 8-12 hour day shooting, then there is a LOT more time involved in the images and products. However I am sure the B&G will be happy with a blank CDR from you with some of your shots on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted August 31, 2009 Share #26 Posted August 31, 2009 yikes .... what i thought was a cute little story about silly behaviour is now turning into a flashfire between pro's and non-pro's on the forum ..... ? ? i have a water hose here and i'm ready to spray to the crowd down if a riot ensues. [smile] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted August 31, 2009 Share #27 Posted August 31, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Very good advice, indeed. I´ve owned my D2 for four years, and I certainly still find lots to learn from John and Thorsten. Another good source is Andy Piper´s review on PhotoNet. I have a question for either/both John and Thorsten: You both describe how firing a burst of shots will increase the chances of getting at least one sharp one at low shutter speeds. What I can´t find on your web sites is whether you select the low or the high burst rate in the menu (I´d guess the high, but it would be fun to know your practice)? High burst rate is the one I have my cameras set to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted August 31, 2009 Share #28 Posted August 31, 2009 {snipped} Maybe even more fun and easy to dis those busting a hump trying to make a living at it ... surrounded with a bunch of puffed up shooters that use their friend or loved ones wedding as a photo op instead of being a guest. Mark--I'd agree except the pro here was evidently an ass. After all, we're paid to be nice to the guests and humour them about their photos, and certainly not to compare shots in any way. Heck, I even try to encourage them... as far away from me as possible, that is I did have a guy once call me a "four-letter-word" (not actually four letters though) after he noticed I was shooting with Ms. It was a weird but ultimately complimentary kind of jealousy thing. I gave him an M3 and my Voigtlander 28 to go and take some guest shots and he was thrilled. Really nice to see you back here, btw... Next few weeks should be interesting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjmike Posted September 1, 2009 Share #29 Posted September 1, 2009 Having done both (pro & amateur), my perspective is: I thought this was about a guy who was kind of arrogant based solely on his equipment. I always thought what made a good or even great photographer was the photographs he/she produced. The most expensive pro kit around (which, these days, might be an S2??) doesn't make the person operating the shutter a skilled craftsman or artist. Anybody can shell out the cash to buy the camera stuff & anybody can carry it around, aim the front of the lens at something and capture it on film . . . Ooops! I mean digital memory. You can take great photographs with a pin-hole camera, not to mention a simple P & S. Its a bit harder, tho. Anybody can take crappy photographs. If you've got great equipment, they're just more likely to be in focus & properly exposed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenper Posted September 1, 2009 Share #30 Posted September 1, 2009 High burst rate is the one I have my cameras set to. Thanx, Thorsten! That´s what seems to work best for me, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted September 1, 2009 Share #31 Posted September 1, 2009 Very good advice, indeed. I´ve owned my D2 for four years, and I certainly still find lots to learn from John and Thorsten. Another good source is Andy Piper´s review on PhotoNet. I have a question for either/both John and Thorsten: You both describe how firing a burst of shots will increase the chances of getting at least one sharp one at low shutter speeds. What I can´t find on your web sites is whether you select the low or the high burst rate in the menu (I´d guess the high, but it would be fun to know your practice)? Gee.... I didn't even realize there was a low speed setting. LOL So, there you go! That's very funny. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrethorst Posted September 2, 2009 Share #32 Posted September 2, 2009 Thanx, Thorsten! That´s what seems to work best for me, too. The manual says that low is 1 fps; high is 2.7. I shoot at highest jpg quality and highest resolution, and both high and low seem to be about 1 fps. I guess it's the buffer or lack thereof. So many of us want to see "son of D2", which would have to have the same size sensor to use the same wonderful lens, but which could benefit from a buffer, which is a matter of replacing a circuit board. EVFs are better these days, and that's just another part to replace. Leica and Panasonic could do a good business with such an upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krabat Posted September 3, 2009 Share #33 Posted September 3, 2009 So many of us want to see "son of D2", which would have to have the same size sensor to use the same wonderful lens, but which could benefit from a buffer, which is a matter of replacing a circuit board. EVFs are better these days, and that's just another part to replace. Leica and Panasonic could do a good business with such an upgrade. Yes, the lens is wonderful. Nevertheless, I am sure Leica would be able to design a lens with the same parameters and quality for a larger sensor, say 4/3 or even APS. And I personally could live with even such a lens if it would be a little bit bulkier than the present one, if only a worthy successor of the Digilux 2 would be made, with the same manual handling, silent shutter, time-less beautiful design, etc. However, it seems that all the people who long for a new Digilux will again be disappointed on 9.9. ... Therefore, folks, keep your Digilux 2 safe and don't give it away - I am afraid there will probably never be such a wonderful camera again. Best, Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrethorst Posted September 3, 2009 Share #34 Posted September 3, 2009 Your points are well taken, but require that Leica design a new lens. I'd be glad to see what you describe, but my point was that the flaws in the D2 could be fixed with a circuit board containing a buffer, i.e. a ram chip (or a larger one), and a new EVF. No redesign of anything major, just parts off the shelf. In fact, I wonder whether a third party couldn't offer this kind of upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmobile Posted September 3, 2009 Share #35 Posted September 3, 2009 Gosh, the wedding guests must have been fascinated by the pro's camera talk... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmobile Posted September 3, 2009 Share #36 Posted September 3, 2009 Maybe you should have told him that Magnum works you hard and so you like to use the Digilux for more informal work in your time off PS A legendary photographer I know mostly shoots for pleasure with a.... Digilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krabat Posted September 3, 2009 Share #37 Posted September 3, 2009 ... my point was that the flaws in the D2 could be fixed with a circuit board containing a buffer, i.e. a ram chip (or a larger one), and a new EVF. No redesign of anything major, just parts off the shelf. ... You are right, that what you describe would already be a giant step forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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