lct Posted August 7, 2009 Share #41 Posted August 7, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica has chosen the best way to loose its R customers definitely i'm afraid. Not only the latters have to buy a canikon body instead of the R10 but they may well discover soon or late that there are great lenses elsewhere. I've just bought tiny Zuikos 21/2 and 28/2 for instance and my R 21/4 and 28/2.8 tend to remain on the shelf since then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jamie Roberts Posted August 7, 2009 Share #42 Posted August 7, 2009 {snipped} I've just bought tiny Zuikos 21/2 and 28/2 for instance and my R 21/4 and 28/2.8 tend to remain on the shelf since then. Yes, those Oly Zuikos in particular are awesome; the Oly 21 f2 even more than the 28. It's one of the sharpest, best corrected 21s ever. The 28 is soft opened up, but very nice stopped down. I wish I could use them full-frame on something other than a Canon though. Ah well. More lenses to sell, I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted August 7, 2009 Share #43 Posted August 7, 2009 Not me - from a different perspective. What I shoot for money, and MOST of my enjoyment, the M8 handles fine, and an M9 would handle finer. My main interest in MF is the different format, particularly 6x6 - and for personal creative reasons, not so much image quality. I can shoot the M8 and crop 6x6 and get results that equal or surpass older 6x6 cameras in many settings, but it leaves me with only about 7 Mpixels. I'd have to crop the S2 as well (about 25 Mpixels), and both the price and the quality are just overkill - for me. I'm in the market for a Hassy CFV back, once used ones drop to $2,000 or so. 16Mpixels will be perfectly adequate. And the 6x6, waist-level framing is really what I'm looking for, for my work. So I'm just in a different market segment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted August 7, 2009 Share #44 Posted August 7, 2009 It is interesting that almost no members are ready to buy the new camera. We will be buying the s2 here in Russia. There are three of us in our studio and we formed a sort of a consortium to finance the s2 and two lenses for the location work. We did the same before, when we were buying our Bron Lights. And we share the Sinar p3 with CAB and CMV lenses. One of the Russian Leica dealers has ordered ten s2 cameras and he has the customers for all of them. A production house buys one to use alongside their Red One movie camera; I saw other familiar names in the list, and not all of them are well heeled amateurs...or oil tycoons. Yevgeny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Groome Posted August 8, 2009 Share #45 Posted August 8, 2009 The S2 is generating lots of discussion and publicity on this forum. Based on the $23,000 price tag, and $28,000.00 price tag for the Leica S2-P with Sapphire LCD Cover Glass and Platiunum Service Package(Leica S2-P with Sapphire LCD Cover Glass and Platiunum Service Package) my guess is that this is a camera for the really high end elite professional. So who is buying ASAP? Who will not be buying at these prices? Who might be pursuaded later? I will wait for 6 to 8 months after the camera is released here in Austraila - then I will lease the camera and lenses - not buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
picman Posted August 15, 2009 Share #46 Posted August 15, 2009 Steve, that's exactly how I read it. I hope the S2 is a huge success and who knows, if it's so, some way down the line Leica may re enter the DSLR market, but R users who must shoot digital will have probably moved on by then so it will be an even harder market for them to penetrate. R glass looks lovely with a Canon body though. Or Sony A900. Have a look here Leica lens for Sony cameras On top of that you've got a few great AF Zeiss lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 15, 2009 Share #47 Posted August 15, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, those Oly Zuikos in particular are awesome; the Oly 21 f2 even more than the 28... Not my opinion i must say. The 21/2 is good but the 28/2 is better. Sharper at f/2 its vignetting is almost negligible from f/2.8 and on. FWIW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted August 15, 2009 Share #48 Posted August 15, 2009 Yes, those Oly Zuikos in particular are awesome; the Oly 21 f2 even more than the 28. It's one of the sharpest, best corrected 21s ever. The 28 is soft opened up, but very nice stopped down. Have you had a chance to compare the 21/2 with the 21mm Summilux? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted August 15, 2009 Share #49 Posted August 15, 2009 I shoot both the M8 (upgraded), with a bunch of lenses, and a Contax 645 with a 22MP Sinar back, and several lenses, and I would buy the S2 if I had the money, but I don't. To be honest, I am quite happy with what I have now. I really enjoy the portability and stealth of the M8, as well as the meditational aspects and high quality results of the Contax/Sinar. I will figure out a way to buy the M9 within a year of when it comes out, but the S2 is just way out of my reach for now. I bought my entire MF kit for around €10000, and that put a strain on my economy that I still feel. The S2 body is about double that with no lens. I will continue to look into it in the future though. Maybe it will become possible at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwfreund Posted August 16, 2009 Share #50 Posted August 16, 2009 I am firmly in category 3, I will wait until the dust settles a bit, and get to try one out. Then I will decide if the juice is worth the squeeze. -bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 16, 2009 Share #51 Posted August 16, 2009 For me their are certain nits I don't like and certain things i do like. Like any system their are compromises. Just have to weigh it all out the Pro's and Con's and see what works out to be the best solution in the end. More importantly it needs to fit your shooting style and not the other way around. In the end though I have to wait to almost everything is on the streets since if i make a move it would have to completely replace my MF system. My issue is hobbling in and something I can't do because I need a full system to work. I need at least 4 lenses. Which right off the top is the 35, 70 and 180 which I know are before Christmas but I also need that 24mm and not sure when that is coming and how much. Obviously this is a costly system and making a switch a real PITA with selling gear and all that hassle. But like Bob i want to see the dust settle down before making any move if any. So my time table is next year to look at it as a buy if that is what I decide to do but I have my Pro's and Con's on it and they need to be ironed out on which direction suits me best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenerrolrd Posted August 16, 2009 Share #52 Posted August 16, 2009 Interesting how many who state that they are not interested in the S2 feel they have to point out that this doesn't mean that they cannot afford to buy one. Wouldn t it seem logical to be most interested in the opinions of those that could afford to buy? At the current prices its a small group(as compared to the M8s). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesanacore Posted August 17, 2009 Share #53 Posted August 17, 2009 The S2 is generating lots of discussion and publicity on this forum. Based on the $23,000 price tag, and $28,000.00 price tag for the Leica S2-P with Sapphire LCD Cover Glass and Platiunum Service Package(Leica S2-P with Sapphire LCD Cover Glass and Platiunum Service Package) my guess is that this is a camera for the really high end elite professional. So who is buying ASAP? Who will not be buying at these prices? Who might be pursuaded later? I can't imagine anyone buying this camera until it is proven to produce superior images to it's competition. After a few months of reviews from respected photography professionals and a few more lenses being available, then pros may decide to buy them (if the reviews are outstanding). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Cristophe Posted August 17, 2009 Share #54 Posted August 17, 2009 I would of course need to test the S2 system for a day at least, preferably more but this should be possible, and this with my personal lens specifications. I don't doubt the imagery will be good but would like some guarantees on other possible quirks which will probably pop-up (like my m8) I would also like the guarantee of a replacement when the S2 need to be serviced (like my hasselblad) and then perhaps I would purchase the S2 system, meaning 2 bodies at least. But all needs to fit my preferences.... As for the cost ... it's quite high even for full-time Pro's like myself especially in a changing market... but if it's good and is able to beat the competition IQ wise it might be an interesting opportunity, and only if current systems you use are being zero'd in the books in this year and accounting wise new investments can be made. Try getting the costprice of a totally new S2 system responsibly planned and accounted for the next 3 years. we will be talking about 60K at least being 20k a year (I know you guys can count, but it's only for my line of thought) or 1.700€ a month and this just for equipement! ... doable but risky. But I am very interested.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Cristophe Posted August 17, 2009 Share #55 Posted August 17, 2009 ... Need to elaborate... If your trade is the Photography trade you presumably know how to photograph, just like the 250 other full-time pro's know how to photograph (similar segment) Then the only difference you can make is the tools you use, and if the S2 is as good as one expects, then this will benefit you position slightly (obviously style does to). So I will look at the S2 if it really is as good as we expect it will be, if so buying it will be a "no-brainer" if the cash is available at least.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted August 17, 2009 Share #56 Posted August 17, 2009 ... Need to elaborate... "Then the only difference you can make is the tools you use, and if the S2 is as good as one expects, then this will benefit you position slightly (obviously style does to)." Quote=Jean Cristophe. Coming from a professional photographer this is a VERY surprising statement. Tools have never been the deciding factor in an individual photographers skills. It is a piece of the pie but not a significantly large piece. Technical skills, creativity, business skills, organizational skills, processing skills (either darkroom or digital), etc etc. I really can't believe that you made this statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 17, 2009 Share #57 Posted August 17, 2009 The missing part is the ROI on this system and money generated directly from it. Sure moving to MF gave me the quality my clients and I are looking for and some extra jobs because of it which is rare but say it is a totally of 70 k with 2 bodies and 4 or 5 lenses can you justify that over a 3 years and at about 2500 per month investment. That is on top of the current bills. Obviously there is some tax breaks and you may not need to put out 70 k in cash out of pocket and make some back from sales of your current gear and such which will bring that 2500 per month down but you still need to make a profit and expenses. If your business is doing well than not a issue but a 5 month oh crap the phone is not ringing than it can become a real burden which BTW almost everyone in the business just went through. It's been a slow road back but still things to consider. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share #58 Posted August 17, 2009 Leica has chosen the best way to loose its R customers definitely i'm afraid. Not only the latters have to buy a canikon body instead of the R10 but they may well discover soon or late that there are great lenses elsewhere. I've just bought tiny Zuikos 21/2 and 28/2 for instance and my R 21/4 and 28/2.8 tend to remain on the shelf since then. This is a very accurate observation. I've made my peace with the fact that the S2 is not for the majority of us on this forum simply because of the extravagant cost. Most (not all) of us can't afford the membership fee into the new exclusive Leica S2 club and that's the bottom line. I was looking forward to the R10 but I recently put in an order for a Canon 5d Mark II. There's hope for us who love photography but don't have very deep pockets. I'm now eagerly awaiting for the arrival of the 5D Mark II which is back ordered every where. Canon cannot keep up with the demand for this camera. Leica where art thou??? PEACE... :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted August 18, 2009 Share #59 Posted August 18, 2009 Coming from a professional photographer this is a VERY surprising statement. Tools have never been the deciding factor in an individual photographers skills. It is a piece of the pie but not a significantly large piece. Technical skills, creativity, business skills, organizational skills, processing skills (either darkroom or digital), etc etc. I really can't believe that you made this statement. He said that tools help to separate competing photographers (besides style). He's totally right...and you just misinterpreted him I wondered how long it would take for some of the self-proclaimed photo thought police to start hassling him...didn't take long did it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted August 18, 2009 Share #60 Posted August 18, 2009 Well SOMEONE is going to have to get one and post pictures of their desk and some flowers and their cat or this will truly not be a Leica:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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