SteveYork Posted July 10, 2009 Share #41 Posted July 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was lucky enough to find a new DMR in early Spring of 2008. . I suspect all the available DMRs now have been gobbled up. So R users who want to go digital are really in a spot. I guess Canon sent a 'thank you' letter to Leica when they announced the R10 news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sdai Posted July 10, 2009 Share #42 Posted July 10, 2009 No. Herr Daniel said that the R10 has been cancelled. I think that's the whole point of this thread In Andreas' summary of the meeting, Stefan Daniel says if they build the R10 the cost would be between 6000-7000 Euros ... I think that's a good price when compared to Canon/Nikon's top dogs or the pathetic M8(.2), which is my point. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/89591-summary-q-session-stefan-daniel-during.html#post938082 Your point is well-taken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted July 10, 2009 Share #43 Posted July 10, 2009 No I probably would not. I use Canon DSLRs for action and macro and have considerable funds tied up in Canon L lenses, particularly the prime telephotos, which I think most will agree are superb performers. Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted July 10, 2009 Share #44 Posted July 10, 2009 Lets make a count ... Would you have bought an R10, in the form of an R9 with a full frame sensor? For me - Yes. So that's 1. Certainly - if it cost the same or less than an M8.2 (i.e £4,000 or less). I'd been waiting patiently to use my 21-35 Vario-Elmar at its full potential. Probably - if it cost between £4,000 and £6,000 - although it would have meant trading in my M8 and lens set. Instead, I'm having to order a Nikon D700 with 24-70 f2.8 and a Voigtlander 20mm AIS, to get the full-frame, wide angle capability I need, and my DMR, R8, 21-35 and 28-90 will go in in part exchange... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianluca Capiozzo Posted July 10, 2009 Share #45 Posted July 10, 2009 Absolutely yes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share #46 Posted July 10, 2009 I am not sure my wife would be willing to carry this ! A willing wife is very good thing for a photographer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share #47 Posted July 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Rick - Very amusing camera bag idea. It's clear from the species that you've spent a lot of time in Oz, and your photos are stunning. Thanks stuny. The reason I've so wanted the ideal digital R solution is to get the productivity benefit Doug Herr has talked about. So many times I've spent hours or days waiting to get more shots of the same birds, because I couldn't be sure the ones I'd taken earlier, perhaps weeks earlier, were good enough. The DMR's cropping and lack of TTL stopped me buying one. Re the camera bag - it's had some use. I was given the all clear after a false heart attack a few years back and celebrated by climbing a fairly serious mountain the next day with that bag packed with Leicas, Manfrottos and Arcas. Nearly killed me. These days I generally use a camera bag made by Toyota. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyIII Posted July 10, 2009 Share #48 Posted July 10, 2009 No. Rocky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyp Posted July 10, 2009 Share #49 Posted July 10, 2009 I would have if at all financially possible, love my R8s as film cameras. And you're right Rick, Toyota does make a great carry-all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psamson Posted July 10, 2009 Share #50 Posted July 10, 2009 No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted July 10, 2009 Share #51 Posted July 10, 2009 I definitely would have bought the R10... Anyone surprised? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2009 Share #52 Posted July 10, 2009 Thanks stuny. The reason I've so wanted the ideal digital R solution is to get the productivity benefit Doug Herr has talked about. So many times I've spent hours or days waiting to get more shots of the same birds, because I couldn't be sure the ones I'd taken earlier, perhaps weeks earlier, were good enough. The DMR's cropping and lack of TTL stopped me buying one. Re the camera bag - it's had some use. I was given the all clear after a false heart attack a few years back and celebrated by climbing a fairly serious mountain the next day with that bag packed with Leicas, Manfrottos and Arcas. Nearly killed me. These days I generally use a camera bag made by Toyota. TTL flash you mean? Indeed quite annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPS Posted July 10, 2009 Share #53 Posted July 10, 2009 Stefan Daniel says if they build the R10 the cost would be between 6000-7000 Euros ... Probably not -- even if I could afford $9,000 US for a camera body, I'm not sure I would spend that much money on what is, for me, essentially a hobby. Plus, all of my inherited Leica lenses are 1970-1986 vintage. While those lens might be useable on an R-10, it would be hard to see the benefit of purchasing a body that expensive simply so I could use the older lens on a Leica FF digital body, especially since a FF Canon EOS 5D Mark II can be acquired for about 1/3 of the projected price of an R-10. I'll probably keep using my Leica-R glass on my SL2 and my R5 for the rest of my life. When I don't want to be bothered with scanning I'll use my D-Lux 4, which is turning out to be a terrific way to shoot digitally. Sure was nice to dream about, however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krauklis Posted July 10, 2009 Share #54 Posted July 10, 2009 Yes, definitely!! - Regards, krauklis (another club member and renewed DMR owner). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted July 10, 2009 Share #55 Posted July 10, 2009 The DMR's cropping and lack of TTL stopped me buying one. Rick the crop factor isn't my favorite feature of the DMR but I can work around it, mostly it means I "had to" get a 180mm lens to get the angle of view I like so much of the 280 on a full-frame camera. The histogram review feature can go a long way toward substituting for TTL flash. Have a look at Lawrence Beck's hummingbird photos at DMR Image Thread - Page 14 - The GetDPI Workshop Forums, He's using the DMR, modular APO Telyts and lots of flash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted July 10, 2009 Share #56 Posted July 10, 2009 Probably not -- even if I could afford $9,000 US for a camera body, I'm not sure I would spend that much money on what is, for me, essentially a hobby. I certainly agree with you, Rob. That's why I see the S2 will fail too ... I've never doubted for a second that there will be many folks who can afford a $30k camera kit however, such an expenditure probably will not make any good sense to many of them. Also, many Canon/Nikon lenses built in the last decades or so are definitely a notch above the old Leica Rs in terms of optical quality and they give you auto focus too, so I also agree with you if you don't plan to spend any extra money on new lenses there's absolutely no need to worry about the R10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted July 10, 2009 Share #57 Posted July 10, 2009 Rick the crop factor isn't my favorite feature of the DMR but I can work around it, mostly it means I "had to" get a 180mm lens to get the angle of view I like so much of the 280 on a full-frame camera. The histogram review feature can go a long way toward substituting for TTL flash. Have a look at Lawrence Beck's hummingbird photos at DMR Image Thread - Page 14 - The GetDPI Workshop Forums, He's using the DMR, modular APO Telyts and lots of flash. Am I the only one who noticed that the R8/DMR can use the TTL-Flash function in addition to F mode? I use it on a regular basis with the camera on manual mode and multi-pattern metering... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted July 10, 2009 Share #58 Posted July 10, 2009 Would have if they had not stalled for years. Come on now. They know how to build a reflex camera, they know how to put a sensor and associated electronics into it. A EVF camera is not a "solution". Probably would not go to look at one either. I detest those things and they are not Leica, don`t care if they put a dot on it or not. My "solution" was Nikon. The D700 is a real reflex camera and I can probably buy three for what an R10 costs. I feel betrayed and will probably never buy a Leica product again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share #59 Posted July 10, 2009 Am I the only one who noticed that the R8/DMR can use the TTL-Flash function in addition to F mode? I use it on a regular basis with the camera on manual mode and multi-pattern metering... I knew that F mode flash metering worked with the DMR, but Through The Lens Off The Film (TTL OTF)? That's news. I'd read Leica's guidance that the reflectivity of the Kodak sensor was not consistent with film and so TTL flash metering wouldn't be reliable. But hey, if real users are getting results ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share #60 Posted July 10, 2009 Probably not -- even if I could afford $9,000 US for a camera body, I was thinking an R10 made as an R9 fitted with a FF sensor would cost a whole lot less than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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