elansprint72 Posted June 13, 2009 Share #21 Posted June 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Orient Express is on track; it is also a long way off. Sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 Hi elansprint72, Take a look here M9 on track. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sdai Posted June 13, 2009 Share #22 Posted June 13, 2009 Jaap, I don't want to shoot the messenger but Leica has also said the R10 is on track, no, I recall they said it was at full speed on the right lane of Autobahn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted June 13, 2009 Share #23 Posted June 13, 2009 I recall they said it was at full speed on the right lane of Autobahn. That would be the Exit Ramp? 8^) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshore Posted June 13, 2009 Share #24 Posted June 13, 2009 If everyone who found a thread boring posted a little cartoon it'd be like an episode of the Simpsons around here. Now you've got something against the Simpsons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 14, 2009 Share #25 Posted June 14, 2009 That would be the Exit Ramp? 8^) Nice catch ... I must be thinking of driving in Japan or HK but you're right, the R was certainly on an exit ramp to its graveyard. LOL Too much typing on the forum in last couple of years, perhaps it's time to take a little break. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rycm Posted June 14, 2009 Share #26 Posted June 14, 2009 Wish they do an upgrade to the sensor of the M8 to full frame with increase dynamic range and iso sensitivity... noting a price that is less than half of the future M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted June 14, 2009 Share #27 Posted June 14, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Does anyone have a transcript (in German)? There are too many different things being said about the M, and I would like to see the original words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 14, 2009 Share #28 Posted June 14, 2009 If the M9 (full frame M) comes too late, say 2011/2012, I would expect a M8.3 with 1,33 cropped sensor and updated electronics and interface... (same rangefinder/viewfinder, etc)... IR filters could be necessary for this M8.3, but that is not a big problem... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted June 14, 2009 Share #29 Posted June 14, 2009 So far, what I see lacking in all of the talk of a FF M9 is the lack of out of the box creative thinking. For example, there is nothing that requires the sensor to be mounted to a PCB in the old traditional way that the M8 used. The sensor could be mounted on a very small sub assembly designed to provide image stabilization and cabled to the electronics thus allowing it to be moved further toward the camera back. Replace the thicker LCD with a thinner and better OLED to shave more precious MM from body depth or move the sensor further back and finally, design new lenses that are collinear to the sensor thus designed for digital. OK, you won't be able to use your old existing glass on the M9 and get similar results, however, it may be possible to modify existing lenses to meet the specification of the new lenses. With this kind of bold move they would have at least 2 new markets. One for FF with a new body and lenses and the retro market to fix old lenses. Then build a smaller version ore reduce the dimensions on the M9 by using new smaller and higher density electronics. Partner with a real electronics company to make the guts to your specifications and focus on what you do best, lenses and the mechanical aspects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted June 14, 2009 Share #30 Posted June 14, 2009 ... however, it may be possible to modify existing lenses to meet the specification of the new lenses. With this kind of bold move they would have at least 2 new markets. One for FF with a new body and lenses and the retro market to fix old lenses... I doubt that upgrading lenses could be done as you suggest - and even assuming it could, given Leica's slow turnaround time for something as straightforward as lens coding, I don't think they'd have the resources to cope with demand. Not to mention infuriated long-time M lens owners... Interesting proposal though - has a S.K. Lee flavor to it;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_m Posted June 14, 2009 Share #31 Posted June 14, 2009 If old and current Leica lenses will not work on the M9 we might just see how valuable longtime loyal Leicaphiles really are. Anyone who pushes their budgets to purchase Leica glass might just bail on the company. If one just purchased a 21/ 24 lux and or 0.95 Nocti, an M9 that would require new lenses only might be enough to push them over the edge. Such a gamble would probably be a big mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 14, 2009 Share #32 Posted June 14, 2009 If old and current Leica lenses will not work on the M9 we might just see how valuable longtime loyal Leicaphiles really are. The company would fold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 14, 2009 Share #33 Posted June 14, 2009 If the M9 (full frame M) comes too late, say 2011/2012, I would expect a M8.3 with 1,33 cropped sensor and updated electronics and interface... (same rangefinder/viewfinder, etc)... IR filters could be necessary for this M8.3, but that is not a big problem... They may be forced into an M8.3 anyway because of parts supply problems for the existing M8/M8.2 electronics. Presumably they have some agreement over how long Kodak make the sensor but, for example, Intel has sold the division which makes the "Intel" processor used in the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugat Posted June 14, 2009 Share #34 Posted June 14, 2009 I have a 1987 Mercedes 280 GE. I love this car. I can enter online the parts service and order any part I like. Will I be able to fix my M8 similar way in 2028? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted June 14, 2009 Share #35 Posted June 14, 2009 This seems to contradict the other thread on the same subject. ... Translation variances perhaps? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crbirchenhall Posted June 14, 2009 Share #36 Posted June 14, 2009 The company would fold. I hope not. I have got to like the M8.2 but I am very happy with my Nikon kit too. While I have been busy with work all weekend I have tried to follow the latest News on here. To tell the truth I find it all very depressing. I just don't see a path forward for me with Leica. I am tempted to destock to a minimum Leica kit - my M8 and 2/3 lenses and focus on Nikon. A sad day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 14, 2009 Share #37 Posted June 14, 2009 I hope not. I have got to like the M8.2... That's why I'm convinced that the next M - whether it's an M8.3, or an M9 - will accept existing M lenses. It would be madness to do anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernmelder Posted June 14, 2009 Share #38 Posted June 14, 2009 That's why I'm convinced that the next M - whether it's an M8.3, or an M9 - will accept existing M lenses. It would be madness to do anything else. Exactly... but this kind of information policy is not really great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah_addis Posted June 14, 2009 Share #39 Posted June 14, 2009 Yes, I'm worried too about the future of Leica. I, for one, am glad there will be no more R series, but I'm really afraid that the S2 will be the final nail in the coffin for Leica. It's the wrong system at the wrong time and I feel like all of the R&D resources should have gone into the M system, which is really the only product line that offers something different from what is currently offered from other, larger manufacturers. I was at a Leica dealer, who I will not identify for obvious reasons, and he agreed with me. The S2 will have a tough time. And if there is any slight problem with the camera, it's dead in the water. To appeal to the high-end pro market it needs to be reliable and bulletproof. And I'm afraid Leica's recent track record in that area is not good. The reason I visited my dealer was to check out the 24 'lux, which I was very impressed with. It's a beautiful piece of glass and I had pretty much decided to get one. But now I'm not so sure. It's a lot of cash to drop on a lens that might be part of a dead-end system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted June 14, 2009 Share #40 Posted June 14, 2009 The reason I visited my dealer was to check out the 24 'lux, which I was very impressed with. It's a beautiful piece of glass and I had pretty much decided to get one. But now I'm not so sure. It's a lot of cash to drop on a lens that might be part of a dead-end system. As one who is only interested in Leica because of the M8 and further M digitals that is my worry also. If the technical problems dictate that only a 1.3 crop sensor can be used then OK, lets just have a better version of it. When you think about it that sensor has been around for 4 years now and Leica have not been able to offer an improvement. 10000 S2s are a lot of cameras when one hears that the M8 has only sold about 25000 over the last 3 years. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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