stunsworth Posted June 13, 2009 Share #161 Posted June 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...comeon we still have some bit of male dna left in our blood..I hope. Thinking about it, that applies to the ladies as well as the gentlemen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 Hi stunsworth, Take a look here Hessenpark News: Official - No R10: no FF M9 (yet). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Bo_Lorentzen Posted June 13, 2009 Share #162 Posted June 13, 2009 John, I did notice that part, I am only suggesting two things. 1. The R glass is some of the very finest SLR glass available in the world. 2. Panasonic potentially have a very viable business model for a EVIL FF camera. With that in mind, I too would rather see a pure leica camera, however, a strong modern platform for R users might not be a bad idea, and we all know, it is about the photographer first and the glass second, so it is better to have a well developed new body for great glass than no new body ever, and probably also better to have it now than in 5-6 years. If this is what happens, clearly Leica will not be out of the FF lens development and there will be German glass in new AF incarnations for a while longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted June 13, 2009 Share #163 Posted June 13, 2009 I sum this up as such: 1) First priority of Leica now, is to launch S2 with a target volume of 10.000 units. something less than half of the M8/M8.2 volume. They launch this product into the top D-SLR/digital back segment. At which all the participants are struggling. I wish them luck. 2) If Leica survive this unscratched, we might see a M9. With a prototype out sometime after Photokina 2010 and possible launch in 2011. That such a toy will cost $ 5,000 is a wet dream. The price I have heard is '$ 10,000 - tax free'. - If it ever materialize. 3) The R system is dead, but Leica 'might' look at 'something' not to let their 3000 (less?) R-users be let down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted June 13, 2009 Share #164 Posted June 13, 2009 As someone that once owned a Leica Minolta CL, I can tell you that having a Japanese camera maker manufacture the camera body did not bother me. I just loved the images it produced. A repeat with Panasonic and its clearly advanced technology capability would not bother me either provided it was not just a rebadged Panasonic but rather a unique collaboration made exclusively for Leica. Several forum members, including me have suggested this for some time, especially if we could get a CL size body. Even a collaboration with Olympus would work. The challenge, of course, is to keep the body slim and still use a FF (35mm) sensor. One way to accomplish this might be to design it to work with a new set of lenses that would work with the shallow flange to sensor distance but allow the older lenses to work with an adaptor that would increase the flange to sensor distance for the older lenses. Such a design would allow owners of older glass to continue to benefit from its ownership while encouraging the sale of new glass with its inherent advantages such as auto aperture or auto focusing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted June 13, 2009 Share #165 Posted June 13, 2009 I sum this up as such: 1) First priority of Leica now, is to launch S2 with a target volume of 10.000 units. something less than half of the M8/M8.2 volume. They launch this product into the top D-SLR/digital back segment. At which all the participants are struggling. I wish them luck. 2) If Leica survive this unscratched, we might see a M9. With a prototype out sometime after Photokina 2010 and possible launch in 2011. That such a toy will cost $ 5,000 is a wet dream. The price I have heard is '$ 10,000 - tax free'. - If it ever materialize. 3) The R system is dead, but Leica 'might' look at 'something' not to let their 3000 (less?) R-users be let down. Pretty good summary. Even though this thread has ping-ponged between matters of interest to the M crowd and the R crowd, could someone -- Jaap, Carl -- who was actually there to hear Stefan please try to offer a little more specific insight into what was said about the M9? Are we in fact talking the usual post-Photokina launch (meaning late 2010/early 2011)? Or is the PMA the triggering event (mid-winter '10)?Or did it sound like something sooner? Jaap alluded elsewhere to there being an effort at the FF M9, but if things were to be dragged out too long, there would be an M8.3. Since the M8 Forum refers us to this thread, may we ask for as complete a summary as possible from someone who actually was there when the discussion of the M9 occured? I appreciate it. JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted June 13, 2009 Share #166 Posted June 13, 2009 no way, we are all it this point a little frustrated, bad economy, the little hope of some future toys ripped from our consciousness, drives us to the limit!! ..maybe there should be a polite, gentile sub forum for the ivorytower guys or one for the rest of us who would like to take someone who pops off and is offensive out to the car park for straightening out.. comeon we still have some bit of male dna left in our blood..I hope.and it is all harmless internet bluff here anyway..just kidding andy, you are of course right as usual. Paul, excellent work by-the-way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted June 13, 2009 Share #167 Posted June 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have asked the question of Carl re "no camera AT ALL" An butchered Sony camera might be interesting... Guy Mancuso's crowd speak highly of them, so I am lead to believe. Well, while I did not really expect a R10 it finally hurts me! BUT WRT A900 and Zeiss glass - this is a wonderful combination and if you do not need high ISO (above 1600) or 50 AF points etcetc, then the A900 is just the right thing and coming closest to what I would have expected from an R10. Having said that I do not see much reason for Sony to build a R10 for Leica - why should they canibalize their own market for the future of their FF DSLRs and Sony/Zeiss lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoersch Posted June 13, 2009 Share #168 Posted June 13, 2009 For me, using digital Leica M and R equipment is all about two things: the joy of using the M8 and/or the R9/DMR, and the quality of the images that can be achieved with this gear. Looking through a Leica viewfinder is a substantial part of the joy. Now, for me, a Japanese EVF camera is certrainly going to take the joy out of photography again which was so hard to get back after years of Canon and Nikon dominating the market with their more-features-for-every-new-model strategy. If Leica don't come up with a real Leica camera (whoever may manufacture it) I'm going to use my M8u and R9/DMR for as long they will work - and then return to film and scanning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampguy Posted June 13, 2009 Share #169 Posted June 13, 2009 I think they should continue making M lenses only. No AF in the lenses, but an external stepper motor that grips the existing lens barrel and turns it while coupled to a dot in front of the VF to let the user know when focus has locked. This will allow AF with most any lens, and they can continue developing world class glass. They should sell the camera business to Panasonic, if not the whole company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted June 13, 2009 Share #170 Posted June 13, 2009 I sat at the dinner with Carl translating Stefan's speech for me as he posted to Andy for the Forum. Andy has passed on exactly what was said according to everyone who translated for me on the night and in discussions over the Saturday as well. The best information is to read what Andy has passed on from Carl and what Jaap has added as well. Everything else is speculation until Leica make any official announcements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted June 13, 2009 Share #171 Posted June 13, 2009 I sat at the dinner with Carl translating Stefan's speech for me as he posted to Andy for the Forum. Andy has passed on exactly what was said according to everyone who translated for me on the night and in discussions over the Saturday as well.The best information is to read what Andy has passed on from Carl and what Jaap has added as well. Everything else is speculation until Leica make any official announcements. I admire your passion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 13, 2009 Share #172 Posted June 13, 2009 No AF in the lenses, but an external stepper motor that grips the existing lens barrel and turns it while coupled to a dot in front of the VF to let the user know when focus has locked. And how would this system cope with lenses which have different sized barrels, the focus ring in different positions and different lens of throw from near focus to infinity? Where would the AF sensor live if not in the camera or lens, and how would it know what to focus on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted June 13, 2009 Share #173 Posted June 13, 2009 Well tomasis if you want to make this personal I am up for that. Do you actually take pics with your camera? Can I see some? There is nothing the M can do that any $600 digital camera can't do except have an ILS. I wasn't being personal to you I was talking in general about the M, R and S. You want to keep it on that level? Jerk. haha, it is so funny how you easily misunderstand it. It is nothing personal but if you want to talk about photos, stay outside this thread and check Photo forum section instead. I simply called your long post as ribberish because you did discredit M cameras which are main card of Leica. How do you expect Leica challenge C & N & S in DSLR market when people care about pixel numbers? No, it is better offer unique products instead like Evil, M RF, s2 etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted June 13, 2009 Share #174 Posted June 13, 2009 No AF in the lenses, but an external stepper motor that grips the existing lens barrel and turns it while coupled to a dot in front of the VF to let the user know when focus has locked. This will allow AF with most any lens, and they can continue developing world class glass. better we produce a robot hand instead lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted June 13, 2009 Share #175 Posted June 13, 2009 sorry to let the facts interfere with the normal rumours I admire your passion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 13, 2009 Share #176 Posted June 13, 2009 I think they should continue making M lenses only. No AF in the lenses, but an external stepper motor that grips the existing lens barrel and turns it while coupled to a dot in front of the VF to let the user know when focus has locked. This will allow AF with most any lens, and they can continue developing world class glass. It would be something like this ... happened many years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 13, 2009 Share #177 Posted June 13, 2009 It would be something like this ... happened many years ago. Except that's one lens with the hardware permanently attached to it. Not quite what the original author had in mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnastovall Posted June 13, 2009 Share #178 Posted June 13, 2009 Just glad I bought my Leicaflex SL2 last month and with a 1DsMkIII coming the 5D can get a shave. So I'm set..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2009 Share #179 Posted June 13, 2009 It's Carl Bretteville who has been doing the texting - I am merely a conduit for his munificence. I am sure that there will be a lot more coming after the weekend, when people get home - especially on the German side, of course. However, I am very pleased that, as always, this forum comes up with the goods Thanks Andy and Carl for all your posts from Germany.Very interesting. Brian:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted June 13, 2009 Share #180 Posted June 13, 2009 Canon's camera division is more than twice the size of Nikon's and five times as profitable. Canon has their own sensor (well, sort of). Nikon buys one off the shelf. Most likely a version of the Sony sensor. Most likely, both sensors are developed with hidden Japanese governmental subsidies. Most likely, neither of them are allowed to share this sensor technology with companies outside Japan. (Many - mostly Americans with no insight in international trade, except for the info that CNN will give you, will now call this bull***. I am prepared to discuss this anytime, anywere, but not here. But first, read all you can of all the press statements and verbal info in the annual reports of - particularly - Nikon). Zeiss do have a Japanese subsidiary. A smart thing. Actually I think Nikon is now designing their own sensors in house and outsource the production to Sony. But back in the D100 days I'm pretty sure these were Sony designs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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