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M8: @ -20F, not so happy


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just gaffer tape one of those handwarmers to the baseplate of the camera, solves 2 problems in one go...keeps your hand warm while holding the camera, and keeps the camera warm enough to keep going.

 

I think this idea is actually quite brilliant. Those hand warmers are inexpensive and you just place in the microwave to warm them. This will keep the battery warm, stop the shutter and the LCD from freezing. Simple low tech solution that should solve this problem. Thanks for sharing.

 

Andreas

 

PS: You get those combined socks/foot warmers here. These may work even better since they have a much larger surface area. You could wrap one of these around pretty much the whole bottom and back of the camera. I hear a lot of you laughing about winters in Africa. Temperatures can drop really low here in winter (-10 C quite common). We do live in the desert here in Namibia - so we have no snow, just dry cold (usually under 10% relative humidity). Best of all, we have -10 at night and up to +20 during the day (no wonder we sick so easily).

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Just returned from - 35 c in arctic Canada. By keeping my 8.2 warm inside my down jacket I never had a problem apart from my fingers . Some days it was - 40c plus wind chill and the just kept camera working.

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Just returned from - 35 c in arctic Canada. By keeping my 8.2 warm inside my down jacket I never had a problem apart from my fingers . Some days it was - 40c plus wind chill and the just kept camera working.

 

Nice shot! -40c is cold. Really cold. That's also -40 F, for our US friends :) Like I said, I'm wondering what firmware level the OP has on his M8...

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Nice shot! -40c is cold. Really cold. That's also -40 F, for our US friends :) Like I said, I'm wondering what firmware level the OP has on his M8...

 

Jamie, I had 2.0.4 firmware. Looking pix @ -40F, I was difinitely was not prepared for such cold weather. I had layers of fleece and wind breaker outside.

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I know what you mean by film breaking.

 

Since we were at hot spring, we jumped in. Everybody in pool had interesting hair (frozen and snow covered, each individual hair). One lady was telling me that I should not touch my hair because hair will break. Got the white hair I wanted while in the pool :)

 

grduprey, did you operate M8 while it was in low temp like that? I think the key was operating while that cold. I heard shutter opening, but did not hear closing. I am just glad Seattle weather is not extreme like that, well coldness wise anyway.

 

Yes, I did operate it during -20F temperatures after the camera had been soaking at that temperature for over 8 hours. This was the norm last year and for part of this years winter. Now the battery, as all batteries do run down faster, but the camera worked just fine. I on the other hand did not work fine at those temps, as wind chill/factors were at -32F for a large part of the time. This year we had fewer days at -20F, but regular temps at -10 to -15F were quite normal.

 

Gene

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I'm another one who's shot in similar conditions without issues. My sympathies to those whose cameras fail, what a pain.

 

Also, if you're shooting film in this kind of cold, don't wind (or rewind) quickly. Static electricity running the film through the canister felts can cause tiny sparks, exposing streaks on the film. Really bad news.

 

Later,

 

Clyde

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  • 9 months later...

A while ago I wrote:

 

Hi TRS;

 

The only time I have used my M8 since late fall was when I was in California; I no longer bother to try during the cold of winter.

 

Even around 0F the battery gets drained very quickly.

 

Too bad - I really enjoy my M8, but my Canon G9 and Fujica medium format rangefinders get more use during the winter.

 

JohnS.

 

Ok - so, longish story; my M8 was getting worse; 3 batteries all from 2007/2008 and all appear ok in good weather.

 

emailing my dealer in Montreal with a sound clip of the M8 in "failure mode" he mentioned that this problem seemed to be cured all the time with new batteries; so I have one on order.

 

So, fingers crossed that the new battery will help; if so, then more will be ordered.

 

IF this is the case, then I think better labelling of new/old batteries is required by me, which is a small price to pay for being able to do the happy dance at getting my M8 going reliably in cold weather!

 

JohnS.

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my m9 gave up and came back and gave up and came back....at 0 centigrades.severe amateur performance at super professional price levels. they need some more research to catch up. i gave up trusting them in anything but optics.

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I was out a few days ago in about -8C for several hours. I swapped batteries (2 of them) ever so often, but after some long exposures (30 -60 s) I had to give up. When the camera itself is cold enough it will chill down a warm battery quickly.

 

Coming home, the next day both batteries were warm and full without recharge and would run my camera for ages ;)

 

Anyway, I believe the camera itself with electronics is probably OK with low temp; in fact the sensor will have less thermal noise. However, from previous posts it is clear that the electronics require supply voltage to stay above some minimum level to function properly, and the M8/9 batteries are simply too weak in cold weather.

 

Instead, I suggest a "wired battery" like the ones we saw in the videos from Solms, or like the one Mark Norton used to test power consumption. Imagine carrying a gel-lead battery inside your coat/jacket/whatever, some simple electronics to control voltage, and then a very flexible wire to the outside and into the battery socket of your M8/9.

 

Cold is OK. Just keep it dry and keep supply voltage up :)

 

Regards

Per

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