john_f Posted October 27, 2006 Share #21 Posted October 27, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Elmarit-M 21mm Asph was introduced back in 1997. While expensive back then, it was and still is a fantastic super wide-angle lens. Certainly one of the best made by Leica as J Borger wrote. But after almost 10 years, and with the introduction of the first M digital, it is quite possible that Leica has decided to discontinue this 21mm f/2.8 Asph in favor of a more modern, up-to-date lens designed to give even better performance with the M8 (but which could still be used with film Leica M cameras). Just a thought but could it be possible that the recently announced C Biogon 21mm f/4.5 ZM lens has caught Leica's attention? A brand new more compact 21mm Asph f/3.5 perhaps? I agree with Jack that the digital M8's excellent high-ISO performance might represent a new paradigm shift for Leica, which could translate into slightly slower and more compact M lenses. I am going to a Leica demo day tomorrow at Camtec Photo in Montreal (Canada). I will ask the Leica reps about the 21mm Elmarit Asph - along with a few other questions about the M8 (6-bit coding and Capture ONE post-processing , DNG and lossless compression, SDHC support, etc..). Regards, John F. The C Biogon 21mm f/4.5 ZM lens for the (Cosina made) ZI Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/7907-does-leica-still-make-the-21-f28-asph/?do=findComment&comment=78557'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 Hi john_f, Take a look here Does Leica still make the 21 f2.8 ASPH?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ho_co Posted October 27, 2006 Share #22 Posted October 27, 2006 This is a marvelous thread! Amazing how quickly we collectively can take into account cost of production, new product, competitor's product, design trends, dealer inventories etc. Excellent and promising analysis all round! However, I contacted the relevant party at Leica Allendale and received the following: "Thanks for the message. I can assure you that it is simply a mistake on our website. I already informed our internet team to update the website. "Sorry for the confusion." --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 27, 2006 Share #23 Posted October 27, 2006 Nothing like a slip-up by a programmer somewhere to set our heads spinning and the rumour-mill grinding. As long as they don't put him/her on firmware development... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 27, 2006 Share #24 Posted October 27, 2006 Good news Howard , that deletion on the web site is a sign of doom as we have seen before. Glad that is not the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 27, 2006 Share #25 Posted October 27, 2006 Letting aside the 35-70/2.8, i don't remember Leica having replaced a lens by a slower one so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted October 27, 2006 Share #26 Posted October 27, 2006 Leica marketing is similar to the astonishingly bad defensive play of the Detroit Tiger pitching staff: they're going to lose the World Series due to something no one expected or even forecasted. Ship the bloody M8! -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 27, 2006 Share #27 Posted October 27, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's back on the web-site... panic over... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted October 27, 2006 Share #28 Posted October 27, 2006 Leica marketing is similar to the astonishingly bad defensive play of the Detroit Tiger pitching staff: they're going to lose the World Series due to something no one expected or even forecasted. If you want to be understood on a international forum, a reference to baseball is maybe not the most efficient way. The "World-Series" are US only. I know that some US citizens and your president think that the US of A are indeed the entire world and that the rest is just a bombing test field for the Air Force new toys but I hope this is not your case and that you are just a baseball fan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted October 27, 2006 Share #29 Posted October 27, 2006 Yes, couldn't agree more. "it's just not cricket"...as the brits would say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpclee Posted October 27, 2006 Share #30 Posted October 27, 2006 On a related note, neither B&H nor Adorama lists the 28/2.8R any longer. Has that lens been discontinued? It is still on Leica's website though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted October 28, 2006 Author Share #31 Posted October 28, 2006 Ship the bloody M8! Sage advice! They should hire you and get on with things! Give them a call and see if you can’t stir up a little action. (How do they load new firmware into the cameras, and how long does it take to do this?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 28, 2006 Share #32 Posted October 28, 2006 Someone mentioned a concern about the 21/2.8 not doing well on the M8. I have one here and it does very well on the M8. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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