sdai Posted February 13, 2009 Share #201 Posted February 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hehehehehe I like that ..... That is surely quite funny, does Panasonic need to buy "a Leica"? they are selling Leicas to Leica. ROFLMAO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Hi sdai, Take a look here Panasonic in talks to buy Leica from Mr. Kaufmann. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
andybarton Posted February 13, 2009 Share #202 Posted February 13, 2009 I have no idea They have not made the S2 from the ground up in 12 months (no idea where you got that idea from) Very few people have had real hands on experience of it so far, but I do know that trusted, talented and trusted testers will have them to hand in the next couple of months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 13, 2009 Share #203 Posted February 13, 2009 Where's my "edit" button gone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterP Posted February 13, 2009 Share #204 Posted February 13, 2009 It takes Nikon, Canon an average 24 to 36 months to bring an "update" to their top dogs, last time I heard someone on this board claiming that by the time Lee was fired, Leica had no plan/progress on any reflex camera at all because of all the damages Lee caused, so in less than 12 months, they've already got a "top dog" from scratch??? Can't speak for Nikon, but the typical "lifetime" of a Canon DSLR is around 18 months for a consumer model and 24-30 months for a Pro model. This is based on Canon's release schedule, this is not based on Canon's ability (or inability) to produce product quicker. To say that "an average of 24-36 months to bring an update to their top dogs" is a misrepresentation . With regard to the S2 , it is always risky to announce a yet to be manufactured product without a fair amount of criticism, Apple certainly received a lot of flak for announcing the iPhone 6 months before its release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted February 14, 2009 Share #205 Posted February 14, 2009 They have not made the S2 from the ground up in 12 months (no idea where you got that idea from) I got the idea from a very reliable source on this forum http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-s2-forum/72727-leicas-s2-19-12-08-email-2.html#post761360 At this year's LHSA meeting, Kaufmann again shared interesting and candid info with the group. According to him, the AFRika project (S2/R10) was put on indefinite hold by Lee. The project wasn't actually green lit until the board met a month after Lee's departure. At this point in March there was no prototype. The AFRika camera was just a drawing board concept. So, in six months Leica went from a basic idea to a functional prototype. Not too shabby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest suilvenman Posted February 14, 2009 Share #206 Posted February 14, 2009 Hands up those who acknowledge deep, deep down, very, very secretively that Leica really means M3 and Leicaflex. This thread has been very instructive in that it has given me an insight into how the stock markets must work: one rumour creates worry, excitement, anxiety, ecstasy, depression etc, etc. Cheers, Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted February 14, 2009 Share #207 Posted February 14, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) It is not a completely unfounded rumor, in a Leica-Matsushita joint press release 4 or 5 years ago (may be older, I can't remember exactly when) they've mentioned something about transfer of shares, or mutual holding of shares. Most people don't really care about rumors, it's just a bunch of more or less unhappy customers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbstitt Posted February 14, 2009 Share #208 Posted February 14, 2009 Ive read all 11 pages of this thread and come to some general conclusions. There are some long time Leica di-hards that are willing to go down with the ship. There are far more Leica fans that are very dissatisfied or frustrated. I use to own nothing but Leica, but between price and my short experience with a D3 I became dishartened. I still have my SL, M6 and D2 and I love them, but nothing has come down the pike like that in a long time.After the war German wages were competative, so were American, but the world is smaller when I can order an adapter for a G1 from China and have it is a week. So Leica is going to have to look at their strengths, their weaknesses, and figure out how to put the "WOW" factor back in their cameras and lenses - not with a $8,000 dollar prime, or a $20,000 body, but with something that reaks of engineering excellence, reliability, intuitive user friendliness, and at a reasonable cost. They may not make it through the current depression with a luxury line. It is becomming more and more obvious that they can't fight against Asia, so why not join forces and make money from their assets. Otherwise, the ship will sink!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest suilvenman Posted February 14, 2009 Share #209 Posted February 14, 2009 I think the best way forward for Leica is to exploit the best tried methods of Tesco, Lidl, Aldi, Walmart: Buy One Get One Free or Only One Order Per Person, 95% deposit, 14 year waiting list. Cheers, Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus Posted February 17, 2009 Share #210 Posted February 17, 2009 Just a heads up that Spokesmen from both companies announced today that there is no basis to this rumor. Go to Leica and Panasonic dismiss sell-off talk as speculation news - Amateur Photographer for the story. Enjoy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 17, 2009 Share #211 Posted February 17, 2009 Ive read all 11 pages of this thread and come to some general conclusions. There are some long time Leica di-hards that are willing to go down with the ship. There are far more Leica fans that are very dissatisfied or frustrated. I use to own nothing but Leica, but between price and my short experience with a D3 I became dishartened. I still have my SL, M6 and D2 and I love them, but nothing has come down the pike like that in a long time.After the war German wages were competative, so were American, but the world is smaller when I can order an adapter for a G1 from China and have it is a week. So Leica is going to have to look at their strengths, their weaknesses, and figure out how to put the "WOW" factor back in their cameras and lenses - not with a $8,000 dollar prime, or a $20,000 body, but with something that reaks of engineering excellence, reliability, intuitive user friendliness, and at a reasonable cost. They may not make it through the current depression with a luxury line. It is becomming more and more obvious that they can't fight against Asia, so why not join forces and make money from their assets. Otherwise, the ship will sink!!! This is a singularly uninformed post. Where have you been the last two years? To mention just a few things, the M8 has come into its own; and they have released more than ten new lenses, some of them at an amazingly low price point, others of unique quality or specs -which in the "good old days" took a decade-, not counting the S-system, the D-lux 4 seems to attract quite an enthusiastic following for all it being badge engineered, and it appears to go on with the S2 and hopefully soon the R10. Reasonable cost - well, blame your administration. In Euros Leica is about as reasonable or rather expensive as it always has been, with the Summarit line and related lenses really bargains. After all, it is an European firm. What else do you suggest they should be doing? By the way, I agree fully with your assessment of the Digilux3. I took one look at it at the Photokina 2006 and decided it was a sad mistake.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 17, 2009 Share #212 Posted February 17, 2009 The only Leica products with few electronic issues have been the rebranded Panasonic You mean like that wonderfully reliable Sony sensor in the Digilux 2 Panaleica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 17, 2009 Share #213 Posted February 17, 2009 Just a heads up that Spokesmen from both companies announced today that there is no basis to this rumor. Go to Leica and Panasonic dismiss sell-off talk as speculation news - Amateur Photographer for the story Mandy Rice-Davies <grin>. Not that I believe it myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcwerner Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share #214 Posted February 17, 2009 Just a heads up that Spokesmen from both companies announced today that there is no basis to this rumor. Go to Leica and Panasonic dismiss sell-off talk as speculation news - Amateur Photographer for the story. It is worth reading the Leica statement verbatim, Leica will always be at the receiving end of company strategy speculation does not sound like a strong denial, rather beating about the bush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 17, 2009 Share #215 Posted February 17, 2009 To me it sounds more like a recognition of the (ir)reality of the Internet.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted February 17, 2009 Share #216 Posted February 17, 2009 Note that these were statements from Leica UK and Panasonic UK respectively, not their parent companies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 17, 2009 Share #217 Posted February 17, 2009 That's because Amateur Photographer will have phoned their contacts in the two UK companies, who in turn will be under instruction from their parents. Just shows how these bloggers just pick up on rumours and repeat them, rather than find out something interesting for themselves, or pass any interesting comment upon it. If it's on 20 different blogs, a rumour like this will end up with a life of its own. Dr Kaufmann hasn't commented on this thread, I note. Perhaps he prefers to deal in fact rather than fiction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted February 17, 2009 Share #218 Posted February 17, 2009 As I mentioned in an earlier post, this rumour was started by a DPR newbie member from third hand information (don't know why the OP chose to perpetuate it here). I suspect that some people see this sort of thing as a game....start an internet rumour and see how far, and how fast, it spreads. That doesn't necessarily mean it's not true though:eek:. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterP Posted February 17, 2009 Share #219 Posted February 17, 2009 To me it sounds more like a recognition of the (ir)reality of the Internet.... I might tend to agree with that . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted February 18, 2009 Share #220 Posted February 18, 2009 Once again,,,,,,RUMOR.... This is like a bunch of old ladies at a Tea party. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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