wilfredo Posted January 28, 2009 Share #1 Posted January 28, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Given the fact that Carl Zeiss makes lenses for M cameras and Canon digital DSLR's, does anyone anticipate Carl Zeiss lenses for the R10? That would make an R10 system a lot more affordable. Any thoughts? Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mgcd Posted January 28, 2009 Share #2 Posted January 28, 2009 No thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 28, 2009 Share #3 Posted January 28, 2009 Second hand R lenses are so cheap for now that i did not even think to buy a Zeiss lens for my 5D in spite of stop down metering with the formers. Now if the R10 project were abandonned, for whatever reason, i could be tempted by some Zeiss lenses like 28/2 and 50/2 macro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted January 28, 2009 Well, I speculate that Carl Zeiss will produce lenses for the new R10. Older R lenses are relatively cheaper now, but the newer versions are way up there in price. Time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 29, 2009 Share #5 Posted January 29, 2009 Rare R lenses are still rather expensive but more usual ones remain quite affordable. AFAIC i've got latest 60/2.8 and 35-70/4 with ROM for 450 & 570 EUR on eBay both in mint condition with a professional warranty. Would have cost you 20% less (VAT) in the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 29, 2009 Share #6 Posted January 29, 2009 My 3rd cam 50mm Summicron in almost mint condition cost around £120. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted January 29, 2009 Share #7 Posted January 29, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Pardon my ignorance, but are there any Zeiss lenses that would autofocus on the Canon 5D? I got my 50mm Cron for a quarter the price of a brand new Zeiss equivalent (and love it tremendously), but sometimes I do miss having AF capability, especially when shooting shildren and fast-moving events. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georg Posted January 29, 2009 Share #8 Posted January 29, 2009 I heard that the R10 gets a new bayonet for the new lenses (AF-varios first) and an adapter for R-lenses. Always keep in mind that most consumer-Zeiss-lenses are not manufactured by Zeiss and not by their full quality/technology (aspherical elements, floating elements) standards as well (otherwise they couldn't achieve significantly lower prices), they're just branded products (haven't we got enough of these anyway?). They have the most advanced manufacturing facility in Oberkochen, mostly making ultra-high-quality lenses for cinematography and photography (or the 2/85 and 2,8/15) which of course cost about as much as their Leica-counterparts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 29, 2009 Share #9 Posted January 29, 2009 Pardon my ignorance, but are there any Zeiss lenses that would autofocus on the Canon 5D?... None to my knowledge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted January 29, 2009 Share #10 Posted January 29, 2009 There is absolutely no need for Zeiss lenses for the R10. Unlike the M the R bayonet is still covered by patent. Furthermore, the speculation about a new bayonet mount had more to do with the portion of the AFRica project that became the S2. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 29, 2009 Share #11 Posted January 29, 2009 ...the speculation about a new bayonet mount had more to do with the portion of the AFRica project that became the S2... I guess so as well but i don't quite like what Stefan Daniels is reported to have said here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/706184-post6.html If the R10 mount were the same as current R's, new R10 lenses would be backward incompatible to a certain extent, due to AF, but they could be mounted on current bodies anyway. Not what Daniels semed to say then... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted January 29, 2009 Share #12 Posted January 29, 2009 If the R10 mount were the same as current R's, new R10 lenses would be backward incompatible to a certain extent, due to AF, but they could be mounted on current bodies anyway. Not what Daniels semed to say then... I think the lack of aperture ring (a concession to weather sealing, I would imagine) would be the big problem, not so much the fact that AF wouldn't work. If you can't manually change aperture on the lens, how could it possibly work on a film R? Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 29, 2009 Share #13 Posted January 29, 2009 OK but this would not mean that the new lenses cannot be *mounted* on current bodies would it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted January 29, 2009 Share #14 Posted January 29, 2009 Pardon my ignorance, but are there any Zeiss lenses that would autofocus on the Canon 5D? I got my 50mm Cron for a quarter the price of a brand new Zeiss equivalent (and love it tremendously), but sometimes I do miss having AF capability, especially when shooting shildren and fast-moving events. yes, there are. See EF-Lenses (Go to "Camera mounts", then EF-Lenses), and Lens News Rgds Ivo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georg Posted January 29, 2009 Share #15 Posted January 29, 2009 My bayonet-information isn't based on old rumors influenced by AFRica. When there's really a new bayonet which can be used with an adapter to mount R-lenses, then the flange distance is smaller, making it impossible to focus the new lenses on infinity on R-cameras. The comment about electronic aperture control also makes sense to me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted January 29, 2009 Share #16 Posted January 29, 2009 OK but this would not mean that the new lenses cannot be *mounted* on current bodies would it? It may depend. The way Nikon has done it, is allowing Shutter Priority and Program Mode, as those don't require manual settings at the lens. That's not perfect, but it works for some time. However, extrapolating what is possible with Nikon doesn't necessarily hold true with Leica, as we've painfully seen with e.g. the manual input of lens data with the more recent pro-like Nikon bodies. I'd love to see it in the M8. They just don't listen to me Rgds Ivo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 29, 2009 Share #17 Posted January 29, 2009 yes, there are. See EF-Lenses (Go to "Camera mounts", then EF-Lenses), and Lens News... Where did you see that EF lenses are AF? All are MF to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted January 29, 2009 Share #18 Posted January 29, 2009 sorry - that was obviously a quick and wrong post - missed the AF part ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted January 30, 2009 Share #19 Posted January 30, 2009 My bayonet-information isn't based on old rumors influenced by AFRica. When there's really a new bayonet which can be used with an adapter to mount R-lenses, then the flange distance is smaller, making it impossible to focus the new lenses on infinity on R-cameras. The comment about electronic aperture control also makes sense to me... I am hoping Leica is not that stupid as to impose a new bayonet mount and lose backward compatibility with existing R lenses. It makes no sense that they would risk goodwill from their existing R base. The only reason to get the R10 for me would be to mount my R lenses as they are (ROM most likely), anything else would mean either continuing with an aging (although reliable) DMR system, and/or choosing an entirely new system. With the S2 Leica could afford an entirely new mount, but not with the R - the R10 "MUST" accept existing R lenses without any adapter for it to be a viable product in my eyes. This is, of course, a purely personal opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share #20 Posted January 30, 2009 There is absolutely no need for Zeiss lenses for the R10. Unlike the M the R bayonet is still covered by patent. Furthermore, the speculation about a new bayonet mount had more to do with the portion of the AFRica project that became the S2. Cheers, If this is the case then my speculating comes to an end. Patent laws will prohibit a Carl Zeiss lens designed for the R-10. Thanks for clarifying that very important point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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