earleygallery Posted January 9, 2009 Share #21 Posted January 9, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I enjoy the randomness of the photo forums, sometimes I find a real gem. After commenting on one photo that I would love it on my wall the photographer in question PM'd me and sent me a lovely poster size print, all for nothing! I have also seen one or two examples of people who have posted regularly, taken on board various comments and - certainly from what I've seen - their photos have risen from relative mediocrity to producing some very interesting work, so it would appear that the constructive criticism offered by some member is of value. Ultimately I say lets keep it simple - basically as it is. This kind of debate is useful and hopefully we will see more input and comment other than Great Shot! (I'm often guilty of posting that one!). To paraphrase Forrest Gump, the photo forums like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 Hi earleygallery, Take a look here comments on posted pics. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
earleygallery Posted January 9, 2009 Share #22 Posted January 9, 2009 Knowing that the forum is also populated by a lot of true professionals with a lot more experience than me - and apparently also by a crowd of people who seem to know each other personally - made it quite scary to even post the first image which was indeed carefully considered. Marie-Louise, You're right there are quite a few of us who know each other personally - but certainly in my case only through meeting others through this forum at one of the impromptu meetings/photo trips that are arranged from time to time. In fact my first meeting was the initial One Challenge a number of years back. Maybe we'll have the pleasure of meeting you at a future event? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badpets Posted January 10, 2009 Share #23 Posted January 10, 2009 I never agree to regulation that limit people's freedom of expression/creativity. I think what would be better solution is a new web design that would show all thumbnails of people who submitted their photos in the front page of photo forum so we save time by NOT having to click and browse each thread not knowing what's in it but the title. in that case, we skipped those that dont interest us. What's the answer? Well, I shall renew my efforts to look at the photo fora, and to comment in a courteous and constructive manner. One other practical suggestion may be to limit the number of images that can be posted in a day - this may slow down the card-dumpers. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antistatic Posted January 10, 2009 Share #24 Posted January 10, 2009 As others have said, constructive criticism or suggestions for improvement is harder that it might first appear. I suspect that most photos posted that would fit into the category of "bad" or "dull" still have the basics of focus and exposure correct and don't break simple composition rules, it is rather that they lack the impact to engage the viewer. This now becomes a much more subjective experience for the viewer and criticism just becomes a matter of opinion. (I like saturated colours and lots of contrast/you like muted tones. I think kids are generally cute and interesting/you will scream if you have to look at someone else's brat etc etc). I don't see it as my job to tell someone that their vision is different to mine. In this post-modern world, the words on the back of a Weeties packet are just as valid and worthy and a Shakespeare sonnet. I also suspect that most of us worry about casting the first stone. If I became known for my forthright and honest opinions I would post my own stuff with great trepidation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 10, 2009 Share #25 Posted January 10, 2009 In this post-modern world, the words on the back of a Weeties packet are just as valid and worthy and a Shakespeare sonnet. No they're not. That's the point. I realise you're tongue was probably firmly in your cheek, but on any scale there's a lot of dross posted in the photo forum. Now there's not a lot any of us can do to stop that, the question is should we encourage people - and I include myself in this - to try harder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antistatic Posted January 10, 2009 Share #26 Posted January 10, 2009 No they're not. That's the point. I realise you're tongue was probably firmly in your cheek, but on any scale there's a lot of dross posted in the photo forum. Now there's not a lot any of us can do to stop that, the question is should we encourage people - and I include myself in this - to try harder? If only there was a tongued cheek emoticon. I agree that it needs to encouragement to try harder and not encouragement to never post a pic again. I, for one, would be disappointed if the photo forum only became a showcase for the very talented few. Save that for the LFI gallery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 10, 2009 Share #27 Posted January 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Shouldn't we all be trying harder to make better photographs? Including getting up early on a Saturday morning and getting out before breakfast to take photos of the frost Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted January 10, 2009 Share #28 Posted January 10, 2009 Including getting up early on a Saturday morning and getting out before breakfast to take photos of the frost Clients always come first for us 24/7, resting executives, nay "starving smelly students". Chauffeur at noon, Andy. Destination, City centre. Goal, another attempt to climb the quality ladder. Rolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 10, 2009 Share #29 Posted January 10, 2009 Is the chauffeur coming to collect me too? Can I bring the dog? You missed a cracking sunrise this morning - so did I! This weekend, I shall mostly be working on my Raviliousness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdb Posted January 10, 2009 Share #30 Posted January 10, 2009 As others have said, constructive criticism or suggestions for improvement is harder that it might first appear. I suspect that most photos posted that would fit into the category of "bad" or "dull" still have the basics of focus and exposure correct and don't break simple composition rules, it is rather that they lack the impact to engage the viewer. This now becomes a much more subjective experience for the viewer and criticism just becomes a matter of opinion. (I like saturated colours and lots of contrast/you like muted tones. I think kids are generally cute and interesting/you will scream if you have to look at someone else's brat etc etc). I don't see it as my job to tell someone that their vision is different to mine. In this post-modern world, the words on the back of a Weeties packet are just as valid and worthy and a Shakespeare sonnet. I also suspect that most of us worry about casting the first stone. If I became known for my forthright and honest opinions I would post my own stuff with great trepidation Very well said David. This was the point I attempted to make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglouis Posted January 10, 2009 Share #31 Posted January 10, 2009 I have also seen one or two examples of people who have posted regularly, taken on board various comments and - certainly from what I've seen - their photos have risen from relative mediocrity to producing some very interesting work, so it would appear that the constructive criticism offered by some member is of value. James, I think that might apply to me This board has been a tremendous help in improving my self-confidence and results since returning to this hobby after a 20 year absence. I've also been impressed with the welcoming attitude of members when we've got together. And when I've approached members for advice invariably they have taken the time to explain their techniques. I didn't mean this to be about me but I really am grateful for the support of members of this board over the last three years that I have been posting. LouisB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted January 10, 2009 Share #32 Posted January 10, 2009 The German side is too harsh in this respect imo. That's History. Reminds me this comment, live on the BBC, of a well-known sports reporter after Die Mannschaft defeated the British footballers in some Worldcup : "Well, they've just beaten us at our national sport once. We've beaten them at theirs twice." There's been some fuss from Bonn to the Foreign Office, at the time. That said, German cameras are far superior to British ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_reinierv Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share #33 Posted January 10, 2009 German cameras are far superior to British ones mmm een englisch camera brand...can't think of any to be honest yes given good critism is not something very easy. As is receiving critism. As long as both keep in mind they may in the end have different viewpoints it should be all right... and critism can improve you I will not put any hurray statement and what is for me a bad picture. A lot of what is shown here should have been kept restricten to the family album. Why share that you're little brat has done hes first paces. I keep telling myself that people that buy Leica's buy them not just for the familiy shots but to also challenge themselves when making pictures. Accepting critism is belongs to that. As for giving critsim don't be afraid to say something negative or that you do not understand why this is posted. As long as you keep respect in your communication for the other party Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted January 10, 2009 Share #34 Posted January 10, 2009 mmm een englisch camera brand...can't think of any to be honest :D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 10, 2009 Share #35 Posted January 10, 2009 mmm een englisch camera brand...can't think of any to be honest Agreed, we have one less manufacturer than Germany <grin>. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 10, 2009 Share #36 Posted January 10, 2009 That'll be none, then, Steve. We used to have lots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 10, 2009 Share #37 Posted January 10, 2009 Steady on! There is still a British camera industry, albeit on a similar scale to Morgan or Bristol cars, i.e. hand made niche products. For example; Walker Cameras and Camera Bellows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badpets Posted January 11, 2009 Share #38 Posted January 11, 2009 It's never a job for anything we do here. We need to exchange ideas to get something new, even if someone's comment comes out extremely opinionated, I think in someway, it could be still constructive depending on how you take it. As long as you wish people to look at your photos, I think should get feedback to improve. Trust me, you'll be surprised how much you can learn from as what you called "opinions". As others have said, constructive criticism or suggestions for improvement is harder that it might first appear. I suspect that most photos posted that would fit into the category of "bad" or "dull" still have the basics of focus and exposure correct and don't break simple composition rules, it is rather that they lack the impact to engage the viewer. This now becomes a much more subjective experience for the viewer and criticism just becomes a matter of opinion. (I like saturated colours and lots of contrast/you like muted tones. I think kids are generally cute and interesting/you will scream if you have to look at someone else's brat etc etc). I don't see it as my job to tell someone that their vision is different to mine. In this post-modern world, the words on the back of a Weeties packet are just as valid and worthy and a Shakespeare sonnet. I also suspect that most of us worry about casting the first stone. If I became known for my forthright and honest opinions I would post my own stuff with great trepidation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antistatic Posted January 11, 2009 Share #39 Posted January 11, 2009 Badpets, I have no argument with what you say. My point is that criticism is easy, constructive criticism that results in improvement is difficult. Part of my job involves supervising/mentoring junior colleagues (though fortunately for them, not in photography) so I come up against this all the time. I have found this forum incredibly welcoming to noobies, partly because of how our photos have been received. There must be a balance between encouragement to join in and encouragement to improve our photography. Maybe the kid gloves should come off after 100 posts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted January 15, 2009 Share #40 Posted January 15, 2009 snip That said, German cameras are far superior to British ones. I'll give you that for the Periflex But not for the Reid Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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