herbet Posted November 12, 2008 Share #1 Posted November 12, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) After dueling over paying a premium for the DLux 4 over the LX3, I finally decided for the Leica. I must admit I'm very satisfied with the performance of this little camera. the colors are spot-on and JPGs look really good. I have been shooting RAW+Jpg and so far JPGs look much better than raw processed images. maybe as I get more acquainted with Capture One this will change. See some snapshots below - out of the camera with size reduction and high-pass sharpening applied. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/68217-i-gave-in/?do=findComment&comment=712804'>More sharing options...
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underground Posted November 12, 2008 Share #2 Posted November 12, 2008 Thats a good gun you have there your pictures look great, Have fun man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted November 12, 2008 Share #3 Posted November 12, 2008 Herbet - Congratulations on the new camera -- Your early "snapshots" are excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamr Posted November 12, 2008 Share #4 Posted November 12, 2008 Hi Herbet, The pictures look very good. What made you go for the Leica over the Panny? regards Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbet Posted November 12, 2008 Author Share #5 Posted November 12, 2008 Herbet - Congratulations on the new camera -- Your early "snapshots" are excellent. thanks Stuart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbet Posted November 12, 2008 Author Share #6 Posted November 12, 2008 Hi Herbet, The pictures look very good. What made you go for the Leica over the Panny? Mark, the LX3 colors are too saturated for my liking. the greens specially are very unnatural. I hear that with some tweaking you can tame the Panny, but the Leica is just right out of the box. Beautiful colors with the right amount of saturation and spot on auto white balance. here's some more shots. Herbet. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/68217-i-gave-in/?do=findComment&comment=713766'>More sharing options...
AlanG Posted November 12, 2008 Share #7 Posted November 12, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) I hope you don't mind me saying so, but your images are a bit gray. I looked at the histogram on two of them and there is nothing to the right. (White areas.) You are probably underexposing a bit and/or need to set the contrast higher. Perhaps you have a bright monitor. Shooting raw will let you adjust this to your liking. I adjusted the white point on two of them. Yes the saturation seems to increase when you do that. You can always reduce saturation. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/68217-i-gave-in/?do=findComment&comment=713773'>More sharing options...
herbet Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share #8 Posted November 13, 2008 interesting. they looks right on my calibrated monitor. the one you adjusted doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted November 13, 2008 Share #9 Posted November 13, 2008 The clip I gave is only for the histogram. Not the image. (I clipped it out of an Adobe RGB monitor image. And now it is being shown as sRGB. I probably shouldn't have re-pasted it without applying a profile.) I just wanted to point out that it has very few tones on the right side. That is why I said a bit gray, not way out of whack gray. Here is another one re-done with and without moving the white point. (I used a different monitor for the screen grab.) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/68217-i-gave-in/?do=findComment&comment=713812'>More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted November 13, 2008 Share #10 Posted November 13, 2008 Congrats. I played around with the D-Lux 4 with viewfinder and handle today. It's a tempting little one though the D-Lux 3 didn't give nothing else than headache ;-) But with the viewfinder there's hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted November 13, 2008 Share #11 Posted November 13, 2008 interesting. they looks right on my calibrated monitor. the one you adjusted doesn't. And I would agree with you. JT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted November 13, 2008 Share #12 Posted November 13, 2008 Congrats. I played around with the D-Lux 4 with viewfinder and handle today. It's a tempting little one though the D-Lux 3 didn't give nothing else than headache ;-) But with the viewfinder there's hope. Forgive my ignorance, as I have never used an external viewfinder like this. Does it actually show focusing, or are you simply framing the image and trusting the camera's autofocus? I'm contemplating moving the D-lux three down the food chain and picking up the D-Lux 4. Even though I'd be happy with the mere stylish appearance of the viewfinder, I would like to purchase it knowing it will provide some sort of justifiable advantage. LOL - JT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted November 13, 2008 Share #13 Posted November 13, 2008 Herbet, Good work. I've owned just about every Digital Leica, except the $5K+ models, The DL 4 is tops. Congrats on your new camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted November 13, 2008 Share #14 Posted November 13, 2008 The viewfinder means that you can use the camera stealth (turn off the screen), save some battery and mainly you can hold the camera so that you can use it at 1/8. Couldn't do that with the D-Lux 3 in stretched out arms. Besides the lack of manual controls (and too much going on auto) the blurred pictures was the main headache for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted November 13, 2008 Share #15 Posted November 13, 2008 And I would agree with you. JT I am not making a comment on what one prefers - contrasty and snappy, or grayer. But if one chose this camera for a less saturated look, then... if these examples are typical of what it does (which it may not be) then the images are only looking that way because they are not using all of the tones available to the sensor. (At least the way it is set for these shots.) So I think any camera could make this "less saturated look" if one wishes. After simply adjusting the histogram, I don't think that this camera itself has a less saturated characteristic. In this example, I moved the highlight slider to show that the top 45 tones are lost. And this is not such a flat subject. (Shadows to sky.) Maybe you don't like this look, but the other one is rather gray and flat to me. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/68217-i-gave-in/?do=findComment&comment=713847'>More sharing options...
herbet Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share #16 Posted November 13, 2008 So I think any camera could make this "less saturated look" if one wishes. After simply adjusting the histogram, I don't think that this camera itself has a less saturated characteristic. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply. here's the screenshot showing the original picture on my computer. I do shoot with -0.3 dialed as I do with my D700. That's how I like it. Adjusting the white point in the original image does not cause loss of color information or a dramatic change in saturation. Notice how the histogram differs from the one you've shown. you do realize you're reaching to conclusions based on a downsampled lower quality jpg version of the image right? also, is your monitor calibrated? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/68217-i-gave-in/?do=findComment&comment=713871'>More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted November 13, 2008 Share #17 Posted November 13, 2008 The viewfinder means that you can use the camera stealth (turn off the screen), save some battery and mainly you can hold the camera so that you can use it at 1/8. Couldn't do that with the D-Lux 3 in stretched out arms. Besides the lack of manual controls (and too much going on auto) the blurred pictures was the main headache for me. OK... that all sounds very reasonable. BUT.... do you have visual queues to things actually being in focus through this view finder.... a greem dot maybe... or are you operating with blind faith in the camera's ability to keep up with you? Thanks, JT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
audidudi Posted November 13, 2008 Share #18 Posted November 13, 2008 OK... that all sounds very reasonable. BUT.... do you have visual queues to things actually being in focus through this view finder.... a greem dot maybe... or are you operating with blind faith in the camera's ability to keep up with you? The viewfinder is purely optical and used for composition only, as it provides no clues whatsoever as to where the plane of focus lies. However, with some practice, you'll soon come to know where the focus brackets would be if they were somehow visible in the viewfinder and you can then rely upon autofocus from there. I have no experience with the DL4, but with my D2 and (late) Sigma DP-1, I find (found) using the viewfinder to be both a fairly natural practice and fairly effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted November 13, 2008 Share #19 Posted November 13, 2008 The viewfinder is purely optical and used for composition only, as it provides no clues whatsoever as to where the plane of focus lies. However, with some practice, you'll soon come to know where the focus brackets would be if they were somehow visible in the viewfinder and you can then rely upon autofocus from there. I have no experience with the DL4, but with my D2 and (late) Sigma DP-1, I find (found) using the viewfinder to be both a fairly natural practice and fairly effective. I agree, and not only that, but if you set the menu item in the D-Lux 4 "Ext. Viewfinder" to "On", you get the green focus confirmation light when focus is locked. And interestingly (and not accidentally), they place the green dot at the very top of the otherwise blank LCD, where it is clearly visible in peripheral vision. So no, confirmation is not in the viewfinder itself, but nearly the next best thing. Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted November 13, 2008 Share #20 Posted November 13, 2008 Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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