SJP Posted October 11, 2008 Share #61 Posted October 11, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's certainly not the case in the UK that academic titles are routinely used I never said it was the routine, it is also not in Germany. Austria I would not know. Generalisation of a specific case is not a good idea anyway. In NL use of the title is very dependent on location (inside industry & academia it is pretty much standard on business cards etc. but not used in conversation). Students from abroad sometimes have a hard time figuring out that they can call me Stephen without getting shot. One insisted on 'professor Stephen', compromises, compromises. Anyway if will be happy to call the dr. dr. - "hi dr. Andreas" sounds about right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sfage Posted October 11, 2008 Share #62 Posted October 11, 2008 I have the equivalent of two doctorates. I don't need people to call me Doctor. You either can (do what you do), or you can't (do what you do). I know a lot of people with Ph.Ds that can't play the piano... even though they have a doctorate in performance. Doctorates are a dime a BAKER'S dozen these days. Ten cents for thirteen of them. There are so many around that the title is basically meaningless. Big deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 11, 2008 Share #63 Posted October 11, 2008 I have the equivalent of two doctorates. How do you get the equivalent of a doctorate? Surely you either have a doctorate (or two) or you don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted October 12, 2008 Share #64 Posted October 12, 2008 Ten residencies at the Banff Centre as composer-in-residence, which is the equivalent of 5 years of post-doctoral work. The only difference is: you don't get a worthless piece of paper when you finish (it is a non-degree granting institution) but "not just any schmoe" gets to go there. Basically, it's like being at Tanglewood under Seiji Ozawa... for a lot longer... ten times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 12, 2008 Share #65 Posted October 12, 2008 Hehe perhaps we should call you 'equiv. Dr." then (real dr. here) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndjambrose Posted October 12, 2008 Share #66 Posted October 12, 2008 Ten residencies at the Banff Centre as composer-in-residence, which is the equivalent of 5 years of post-doctoral work. The only difference is: you don't get a worthless piece of paper when you finish (it is a non-degree granting institution) but "not just any schmoe" gets to go there... In which case it seems you don't have a doctorate or the equivalent of one. So not calling yourself a 'doctor' isn't much of a claim of self-effacement. But you can choose to not call yourself a former composer-in-residence if you wish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted October 12, 2008 Share #67 Posted October 12, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hehe perhaps we should call you 'equiv. Dr." then (real dr. here) or "organize" yourself some Dr. title from Ukraina or Romania (or somewhere else...). The rumours says that it shall be very easy and without any probs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 12, 2008 Share #68 Posted October 12, 2008 Ten residencies at the Banff Centre as composer-in-residence, which is the equivalent of 5 years of post-doctoral work. The only difference is: you don't get a worthless piece of paper when you finish (it is a non-degree granting institution) but "not just any schmoe" gets to go there. Basically, it's like being at Tanglewood under Seiji Ozawa... for a lot longer... ten times. Sounds like you have a serious chip on your shoulder about doctorates. Incidentally, I don't know what the value of a doctorate is in Canada, but here in the UK a Ph.D is awarded for completing a piece of original research that has reached a required standard. You can't buy one nor acquire a "doctorate in performance" (though my experience doesn't encompass Music Colleges so I might be wrong on the last point). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 12, 2008 Share #69 Posted October 12, 2008 . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_murray Posted October 12, 2008 Share #70 Posted October 12, 2008 ...Jeez....what a mean spirited thread. So much self absorbed self important puffery! I shall not read any of this thread again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted October 12, 2008 Share #71 Posted October 12, 2008 I apologize. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted October 12, 2008 Share #72 Posted October 12, 2008 @ wattsy : I made a bad joke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 12, 2008 Share #73 Posted October 12, 2008 @ wattsy : I made a bad joke The joke was fine. My reply was to Shane. I think the (off)topic has become exhausted now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted October 13, 2008 Share #74 Posted October 13, 2008 Well I thought that the performance by Herr Dr. Kaufmann was OK. Like others on this forum I have also had to take part in a promo video..............ten takes later and I still had not perfected it! Fortunately the cutting editor's skills made something of what was a very bad job so I have every sympathy with the good doktor. It takes guts to be the boss and owner and to perform in that video in my opinion. One of the problems with internet forums such as this...........and this is one of the best by far.........is the lack of tolerance for the accepted formalities and social graces of other countries. As a Brit. I accept that we have some people with titles not just Dr. or Prof. They are no better or worse probably than I am but I respect that their "handle" is part of their name and readily use them whether they be Dr., Sir, Lord or even your Majesty!! In my working days, I can honestly say that my best days by far were working for a very large but privately owned German company. I liked their approach to solving problems and I had and still have every respect for the owner/CEO and many of the managers and staff. Some were Dr. or Prof Ing. We had a lot of fun in our work but we all performed to everyone's well being and benefit. If we didn't, then we knew the potential consequences! Similarly, I enjoy my membership of the Leica Fellowship here in the UK. All members are equal and whilst a very large number are distinguished photographers, many with RPS or PAGB distinctions, they are never used either within meetings or externally. I respect this just as much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thpeters Posted October 13, 2008 Share #75 Posted October 13, 2008 Sorry to say, but is it not silly to spend 4 pages on this subject? How cares what kind of titlte he or she has before or behind his or her name, right? I like to Know the person if he or she is a good human. and in Mr. Kaufmanns, I think he a good human but yes a clever busisness man, I believe he can deliver soon what he has shown on the photokina. And he is in my humble opinion, the guy with his team who brings Leica back in business, that is all what count. I hope we can close this (silly)discussion. Theo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted October 17, 2008 Share #76 Posted October 17, 2008 I could care less about Dr. Kaufman's speaking ability. Whether he has notes, doesn't have notes. Whether he has teeth or no teeth. I care about Leica surviving, coming out with an R10, having success with the S2 and Leica being an active and viable company. This thread is full of - silliness. :rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted October 17, 2008 Share #77 Posted October 17, 2008 I could care less about Dr. Kaufman's speaking ability. Whether he has notes, doesn't have notes. Whether he has teeth or no teeth. I care about Leica surviving, coming out with an R10, having success with the S2 and Leica being an active and viable company. This thread is full of - silliness. :rolleyes: Yes indeed. I read you five by five. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnPirat Posted October 21, 2008 Share #78 Posted October 21, 2008 I very much prefer Dr. Kauffmans "human" and "sincere" approach than anything else that is "manufactured" and cut for media presentation.These people are executives and they work for real, while quite the opposite is true for politicians. Not everyone can perform like Steve Jobs, and thats not needed either this one of J. Ive is realy professional! Maybe Leica has to look at... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted October 21, 2008 Share #79 Posted October 21, 2008 I very much prefer Dr. Kauffmans "human" and "sincere" approach than anything else that is "manufactured" and cut for media presentation.These people are executives and they work for real, while quite the opposite is true for politicians. Not everyone can perform like Steve Jobs, and thats not needed either My first thought when viewing the Kauffman video was..."whoa...this guy is pretty cool!." He seems more like an eccentric artist type than a stuffy CEO. And he kinda reminded me a bit of the wheelchair-bound author in Stanley Kubricks Clockwork Orange....especially the part where he's feeding spaghetti to Malcolm McDowell and asks...."MORE WINE?!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 22, 2008 Share #80 Posted October 22, 2008 My my.......not seen the vid yet but maybe they should have hired a professional like Troy McClure to present The Troy McClure Pretty-Much-Everything Site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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