mjh Posted July 10, 2008 Share #41 Posted July 10, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can somebody answer/comment on his question? Assuming those rumours about no new R lenses at photokina were true, the obvious explanation would be that the R10 will have a bigger than 36 x 24 mm sensor – Leica had suggested this was an option several months ago. A bigger sensor would require a new mount and new lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brunom Posted July 10, 2008 Share #42 Posted July 10, 2008 Well, if we accept that the rumours are correct, the truth about sensor size and R lenses may not be as devastating as thought. A larger sensor may not require a new larger mount, and if for instance the new size is 28mmx36mm [ 45.6 diagonal as against the current 43.3], the current R lenses, especially the longer ones, could I think cope with that very slight increase in the field of coverage.very well The frame ratio would then be very close to 4:5 No new R lenses means just that, but any new digitally oriented lenses [ designed to cover the very slightly larger diagonal sensor right into the very corners ] may be designated RD for instance, therefore no conflict with the statement made. Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsapkota Posted July 20, 2008 Author Share #43 Posted July 20, 2008 Many thanks you all for giving your input/thought on it. Let us hope Leica will announce R10 body with the features - Full Frame camera, 22 Million Pixels, Image Stabalisation/Vibration Reduction in the body itself like that in Minolta so that all the current lenses can be used with VR/IS Function, and price range of maximum 5K Photography in Nature - Dhruba Kumar Sapkota Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicapages Posted July 20, 2008 Share #44 Posted July 20, 2008 I am following this thread with interest. In my humble opinion, anything else than full compatibility with the existing R lens base would be the end of the R. So I can hardly believe Leica would be foolish enough to alienate its existing customers, especially since it will probably not attract many new customers to a new digital R given the total price of a typical R system. It would mean that a digital R10 would have to be full-frame (35mm or 24x36 that is). A larger sensor would be of course great, generally speaking, but nonsense for Leica unless it wants to start competing with medium format contenders like Franke & Heidecke / Sinar / Leaf Hy6, Mamiya, or Hasselblad H, who are established players in this field with a proven track record in this format. Leica has always been 35mm photography and the pinnacle of it. It has the duty now to deliver on a system for the future, which in today's terms is digital rather than film, on the same high level as we have always known it (though I still use and prefer film). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted July 21, 2008 Share #45 Posted July 21, 2008 Fully agree with Pascal on this one. Sony was smart, by using Minolta system they picked up a large customer base who will most likely stick with that system thanks to Sony, though it'a a pity no more 5400-2 Scanner on the horizon. On the other hand Panasonic and Leica opted with a new system 4/3 with Olympus who droped the manual film system for the new 3/4 on their digital format. I wonder how many of their faithful customers have stuck with Olympus with this one. It must be a dilemma for Leica, as Nikon has raised the bar especially with their smaller mount compered to Leica-R. I said on this forum that Nikon's next D400 will be a full frame, I was partly wrong, it's called D700. Pentax is also looking at it, and they have not forgoten their older customer base who dearly love their manual Pentax lenses on which can be still used with their new Digital models. I mentioned before about my experience with the M8 last week, during that course in the shop I noticed that Nikon manual lenses prices have gone up, wonder why. 1.. If Leica considers a new mount for their new SLR most likely they will lose a lot of their customer base including me. 2..I am sure that most of us, don't want an adapter, the 4/3 system has not gone well for Leica, With the 4/3 adapter-R if I want to use a 50mm I WANT A 50MM LENS NOT A 100MM, I already have the 100mm f/2.8 APO-MACRO-ELMARIT-R and not interested in converting it to 200mm. 3..Leica needs to look at the needs of it's customer base, I and many others on this forum have been with the R system since the early 70's. They could lose more then they (Leica) can gain. If their Briallant engineers can create the DMR, I am sure a full frame DSLR-R is of no problem. And do we remember when Leica stated that because of Lens to Sensor clearance A DIGITAL M WAS NOT POSSIBLE. Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VivaRiva Posted July 21, 2008 Share #46 Posted July 21, 2008 I do not wish to be rude but, a rumor starts on this forum, then the camera dealers read it, then continues the innuendo in front of the customer who is looking for upcoming product information. The customer thinks that the company is giving "hints" to the buyer in advance. May I ask who in this forum knew that the new Nikon D700 was coming out? There are confidentiality agreements, signed by the employees in every company. Commenting on rumors and innuendo seems more like misinformation to me. Then everyone replies: What if/ If so/ But if? to a piece of information that is supposedly derived from a 'hint'. I hate to be the unpopular user who writes negatively but you're just starting this cycle again. You're just commenting on rumors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted July 21, 2008 Share #47 Posted July 21, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) May I ask who in this forum knew that the new Nikon D700 was coming out? Nikon's product manager was publicly discussing about this camera since last September although he didn't specifically point out the model number. I, for one, has posted this in the forum back from then. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/33981-nikon-rangefinder-2.html#post357285 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 21, 2008 Share #48 Posted July 21, 2008 ...The customer thinks that the company is giving "hints" to the buyer in advance... He's right thinking so when the company's CEO himself refers to a larger than full frame sensor and his product manager says that there will be no new R lens at the next Photokina but he would keep his own R lenses. Free translation: larger sensor than 24x36, hence new mount, but backward compatibility, hence current lenses needing an adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted July 21, 2008 Share #49 Posted July 21, 2008 In this last and wrong case the last alternative for the R lenses owners should be that Leica produces again renewed DMR. Francisco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapp Posted July 21, 2008 Share #50 Posted July 21, 2008 The same discussion was started 2 years ago just after photokina 2006. No inforation was added to the discussion so far. Just wait 6 weeks and you will probably know all the details. Right now it would be too late anyways to tell Leica that you do not want any new feature in the camera that will probably show up very soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefey Posted July 21, 2008 Share #51 Posted July 21, 2008 I predict Leica will come out with an AF camera (and new AF lenses) which will be able to use the existing R lenses as MF. So that those of us who haven't yet won the lottery can afford to purchase the system piecemeal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshore Posted July 22, 2008 Share #52 Posted July 22, 2008 I do not wish to be rude but, a rumor starts on this forum, then the camera dealers read it, then continues the innuendo in front of the customer who is looking for upcoming product information. The customer thinks that the company is giving "hints" to the buyer in advance. May I ask who in this forum knew that the new Nikon D700 was coming out? There are confidentiality agreements, signed by the employees in every company. Commenting on rumors and innuendo seems more like misinformation to me. Then everyone replies: What if/ If so/ But if? to a piece of information that is supposedly derived from a 'hint'. I hate to be the unpopular user who writes negatively but you're just starting this cycle again. You're just commenting on rumors. No denying this is all true but people will still talk regardless of rules and restrictions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsapkota Posted July 22, 2008 Author Share #53 Posted July 22, 2008 Nobody commented on VR/IS function in the body itself:) Photography in Nature - Dhruba Kumar Sapkota Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted July 23, 2008 Share #54 Posted July 23, 2008 IF the R10 is > 24x36, bye, bye value of existing R lenses. Also, trying to compete with $10,000 entry-level Medium Format kits with a marginally larger than FF sensor with any R10s price point would be suicidal. I strongly disagree. All MF systems are based on 645 or even 6x6 format. Leica can offer a small "all-Digital" MF system, designed from the ground up for a smaller format. This means smaller body and lenses. Much smaller body and lenses! On the other hand, I would bet the aspect ratio will not be squared... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 23, 2008 Share #55 Posted July 23, 2008 ...Leica can offer a small "all-Digital" MF system... This means smaller body and lenses... I don't understand Ruben. This 'small' MF stuff would be bigger than 24x36 one anyway. So what's the point of gaining a couple millimeters that won't profit to current R users where nicanosony will offer more pixels in smaller and cheaper FF bodies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 23, 2008 Share #56 Posted July 23, 2008 More pixels in smaller and cheaper "FF" bodies do not a better image make (necessarily) More pixels may, indeed, mean worse images. And, images is what it's all about. Isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 23, 2008 Share #57 Posted July 23, 2008 Agreed but why would a couple more millimeters give better images than a full frame body? I struggle to see any common sense here but i may be wrong hence my modest questions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lll Posted July 23, 2008 Share #58 Posted July 23, 2008 Don´t expect too much about a new R at photokina and nothing in the time before. Two month ago even the concept of a new R had not been fixed, as I was told by a very informed and reliable Leica staff member personally. I guess that at photokina you will get only a glance on some mock ups, combined with an ambigious timeline of introducing some new lenses, probably AF. Leica will stress your patience. Due to my source this situation is still the result of multiple revised decicions during the Lee aera. Regards Friedhelm Rumors mostly are fed by wishes or fear... You are discussing rumors, nothing more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 23, 2008 Share #59 Posted July 23, 2008 The "Lee" era move Leica forward not one iota. They will take a couple of years to get back to where they should have been by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 23, 2008 Share #60 Posted July 23, 2008 ...You are discussing rumors, nothing more. We are discussing hints coming from the CEO of Leica himself, who referred to a bigger than full frame sensor, and his product manager who said that there will be no new R lens at the next Photokina but he would keep his own R lenses. Unless they were spreading rumors thelselves of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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