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evita - fantasic ....

 

1 is good, but not more. i mean u dont go deep enough into the conver but u do catch a more transendant view of two acts so ok.

2 and 3 are amazing - i feel like they feel heros.... the audiance gives such an exitment to the fancers and it is well radiated in the photos.

 

i have some theory (quite developed by now but not fully) about aesthetics, and art photography. one of its main concepts is "the invisiable in the visual art" - means - how we can deal with something that is not visually percepted by impressions that the vision is the sourse. both on implementary level and on cognitive levels.

anyway - the photos 2 and 3 are fine exampple of this concept.

 

ah - by the way - still not enough to talk about it as series. it simply has alot of potential in my view and i would rather wait with general comments about it as "full body of work).

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Evita you have achieved the unachievable. Not just three EXCELLENT photographs but you have received praise from Stefan. ;)

 

On a technical note: I'm curious to understand why conventional prints scanned like this produce such fabulous tones. With all the 16 bit RAW capability of modern digital cameras, or even conventional film scanned by a good film scanner, I've never see anything as rich as these (or Stefan's), the blacks are inky black, the white fluoresce with light and there is every tone in between.

 

A couple of years ago I started developing my own again, this makes me want start traditional printing as well.

 

Superb.

 

Michael

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I like these as much as the previous ones you posted. There is good interaction shown in all of them. I still want to see somebody actually fencing, however. That would really complete the story. It looks like the guy in the first photo was skewered.

 

Your image quality is very nice. What are you shooting with?

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thank you all very much :)

 

Michael, sorry, can't really help you, I know for sure that my own scans from negatives against prints look very different. if you have a possibility to print yourself, give it a try :)

 

Victor, for what I know they don't look at themselves as heroes, just as athletes that give their best to get the best results as they can (also knowing that the federation pretends exactly that, not the reslut itself, but their dedication), just like all the athlets who take part at a competition at this level. but I do know that they have fun, a lot :)

about art photography... I have no clue and no education, the only thing I try to do is to capture moments that bring accross emotions and different situations.

 

Brent, M6, 35/2 asph., Tri-X 400 in D-76... I'm still not finished, sooner (or more likely later I fear) I'll print one where they compete.

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ya evita - u r rite - hero is not the best word here... maybe pride or a kind of exitment that something bigger than usual happens and being a core part of it??? :-)))))) anyway - i know the feeling - i saw and watched it carefully many times, including on elite athlets, and athlets with disablilities, musicians, people who marry, expected and awaited dates, fancy people meetings, and on and on.... it is about the same cognitive sourse (i mean the emotional part of it).

 

and it is not that difficult about the theory about art and photography... this is exactly what it deals with.. about vission and emotional impact, examining it on the cognitive level.

the emotional part of photograpy (for example) seems to be inherent (if the photo is good of course). but the truth is that it is not inherent, cause physically and substencially it is not presented in the photograph itslef. so the examination is : what cognitive processes and how makes a substance to go beyound its pure occurance...

i will rewrite at some point the article and make it more readable and comfortable for people who does not come from philosophy or psycology disciplins... it will be uploaded to my web then.

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Victor, isn't that the point where our own experiences come into play? the recognition of something we have experienced? the projection of our feelings, our memory onto the photograph (in case of photography)?

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oh - defenetly evita.. very true...but try to proove it in epistemology :-))))))) or try to give a systematic exaplanation of what happens mentally when we "feel" those things :-)))))) that is exactly what i want to proove and suggest a full cognitive interface - to link between our expeirnces etc in case of art and emotion etc. sure. but talking about it on the cognitive level is more difficult and complicated. and indeed - it is not that eassy as it sounds although i do tend more to what u say of course.

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ha ha ha evita - i know what u mean - well, if i was a poet, or trying to descibe things beautifuly, i would use stomach and heart:-))))) but actually i so much get used to give pragmatic and functional explanations.... anyway - this is not the way u exaplain things - the "mind" belongs and generated through the upper part of the body - the brain. besides - i dont give bio-chemical explanations of the "emotion", i give a functional explanation of mental behaviour and cognition and cognitive contents:-)))))))))) sorry - stomach and heart of out of the field :-)))))))

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