usccharles Posted June 19, 2008 Share #1 Posted June 19, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) i love my 35/1.4, but only on my MP. on the M8, its too long for my taste. so i have the 28/2 to use as my main lens on the M8, Love it, but geez man, if only Leica made a 28/1.4. that would be... perfect... there's just no wide lenses for the M8 faster that f/2... why don't they have a 28/1.4? is it a size issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Hi usccharles, Take a look here M 28/1.4 will it ever happen?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
marknorton Posted June 19, 2008 Share #2 Posted June 19, 2008 I agree it would be good to have a faster wide-angle; some who went on a recent trip to Solms are saying there's a 24mm Summilux coming which would surprise me 3 ways - likely size, likely cost and the "holes" in the lens range it would create - 28mm f1.4 and 24mm f2. The current 24mm, with lens hood, obscures most of the lower right hand corner of the viewfinder image and even a slight increase in the lens hood size or position forwards from the camera would start to crop - and then obscure - the view of the rangefinder patch making focussing impossible. The lens itself could be quite a lot bigger (diameter) but the hood size and position is pretty much at the limit, as the Noctilux's is. Elsewhere in the lens range, a doubling of lens speed means a near doubling of cost (28/2:28/2.8, 50/1.4:50/2, 90/2:90/2.8 and so on) so unless there is some move away from this established pattern, any of the 24/2, 24/1.4, 28/1.4 using the existing 28/2 and 24/2.8 as a starting point would be very expensive. If a 24/1.4 is introduced, it would certainly be an impressive lens... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 19, 2008 Share #3 Posted June 19, 2008 I would not hold by breath. Much too big unless Leica choose to launch a 'cropped' lens for the first time. A 24/2 would be more plausible, almost mandatory given the tradition of Summicrons 35 at Leica's. The 28/2 doesn't do it with its 37mm FoV on the M8 IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted June 19, 2008 Share #4 Posted June 19, 2008 Superspeed lenses are not as desirable now as when we shot Kodachrome I. I do not believe in even new Summicron lenses in the near future. What we need is something like a coupled, filterable and coded 16mm/4.5. And a practical finder for it. The old man from the Age of the Super-Angulon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
usccharles Posted June 19, 2008 Author Share #5 Posted June 19, 2008 Superspeed lenses are not as desirable now as when we shot Kodachrome I. I do not believe in even new Summicron lenses in the near future. What we need is something like a coupled, filterable and coded 16mm/4.5. And a practical finder for it. The old man from the Age of the Super-Angulon i want the bokeh of a 1.4 on my 28!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroman22 Posted June 19, 2008 Share #6 Posted June 19, 2008 Just wait for the M9 with 24x36 sensor and you problem is solved with the Summilux 35. I´ve got a Nikkor 28/1.4 and there´s an adapter from Novoflex Nikon -> Leica M. I´m just looking for a used one. That will help for the remaining time until M9 comes up. Regards from HAnnover/Germany Steffen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted June 19, 2008 Share #7 Posted June 19, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Superspeed lenses are not as desirable now as when we shot Kodachrome I.The old man from the Age of the Super-Angulon Hmmm. On my Canon my MOST used lens is my 24/1.4L but adding this to a FF Canon body produces quite a brute (especially carrying a couple more fast lenses and several 1D series battery packs!). I'd certainly be very interested in anything M faster and wider than currently available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted June 19, 2008 Share #8 Posted June 19, 2008 Leica are probably at a crossroads at the moment. Develop super fast lenses usable for a 1.3x crop (the only way imo) or hold off for the time being to see if a FF M is actually viable. If it isn't then they should proceed full speed with DX only lenses. Otherwise a lot of hardcore digital M users will be switching to a FF M9 (or whatever designation) anyways and will have no use for a DX lens, and even if it was physically possible a FF 28mm f/1.4 would probably cost upwards of $5K. I know that if I had a choice between a FF M for $8K or a 24mm f/2 for $5K (D or FF) I'll go for the body and do just fine with my current 24. It's got to be a conundrum for them - sort of a chicken/egg what comes first. And what the market can actually bear before they totally price themselves out of it. I have a feeling Nikon will be introducing a smaller size FX body as well as some updated primes. I know an M isn't a Nikon, but they do compete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapp Posted June 20, 2008 Share #9 Posted June 20, 2008 i love my 35/1.4, but only on my MP. on the M8, its too long for my taste. so i have the 28/2 to use as my main lens on the M8, Love it, but geez man, if only Leica made a 28/1.4. that would be... perfect... there's just no wide lenses for the M8 faster that f/2... why don't they have a 28/1.4? is it a size issue? A 28/1.4 would be nice, but large aperture in the times of usable high ISO i digital cameras, is not of the same importance as in film days. Surely, we can expect a nice bokeh from a 1.4 lens, but is this the first lens Leica should think about. A portrait 1/50 may have even niver bokeh, wide angle primes of 15-18 mm are missing completely and this years photokina may be dedicated to the R system with smaller focus on M gear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted June 20, 2008 Share #10 Posted June 20, 2008 Leica are probably at a crossroads at the moment. Develop super fast lenses usable for a 1.3x crop (the only way imo) or hold off for the time being to see if a FF M is actually viable. If see here: I specifically asked Mr. Daniel if there is a psiibility that new M lenses would be "M8 only", i.e. not covering FF. His answer was quite clear, he said Leica would not go down that route for two reasons, a) film M bodies still sell quite well, and Leica does not want to lose the option of a FF digital M body. Regards, Andy http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/56309-infos-forum-meeting-2008-a-4.html#post585997 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted June 20, 2008 Share #11 Posted June 20, 2008 I would not hold by breath. Much too big unless Leica choose to launch a 'cropped' lens for the first time. A 24/2 would be more plausible, almost mandatory given the tradition of Summicrons 35 at Leica's. The 28/2 doesn't do it with its 37mm FoV on the M8 IMHO. LCT, may I get back to these words on, say, the 15th September 2008? Regards, Andy P.S.: Remember, the 28 Summicron lens wasn't any bigger than the then current 28 Elmarit, despite a full stop more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 20, 2008 Share #12 Posted June 20, 2008 LCT, may I get back to these words on, say, the 15th September 2008?.... Please do! A full frame 24/1.4 would be something like the Nikkor 28/1.4 i'm afraid. So my bet is 24/2. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/55807-m-2814-will-it-ever-happen/?do=findComment&comment=585980'>More sharing options...
wizard Posted June 20, 2008 Share #13 Posted June 20, 2008 So my bet is 24/2. That would have been my bet, too. Until last Friday, that is. Regards, Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 20, 2008 Share #14 Posted June 20, 2008 Superspeed lenses are not as desirable now as when we shot Kodachrome I. I do not believe in even new Summicron lenses in the near future. What we need is something like a coupled, filterable and coded 16mm/4.5. And a practical finder for it. The old man from the Age of the Super-Angulon Agree completely... obviously it would have also to beat the CV15... coupling, easy filtering and factory coding aren't enoght to justify, say at least a 3-4x price. I hope for them they are able to... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshore Posted June 21, 2008 Share #15 Posted June 21, 2008 i love my 35/1.4, but only on my MP. on the M8, its too long for my taste. so i have the 28/2 to use as my main lens on the M8, Love it, but geez man, if only Leica made a 28/1.4. that would be... perfect... there's just no wide lenses for the M8 faster that f/2... why don't they have a 28/1.4? is it a size issue? If they do produce one it will be more of a price issue than a size issue. You'll probably see a new Noct before you see a fast wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
usccharles Posted June 21, 2008 Author Share #16 Posted June 21, 2008 thanks for the comments. from your comments, it seems that the prospect of a 28/1.4 or a 24/1.4 seem not likely in the near future. this is a shame as i think many will agree that the 35/1.4 is one of the most versitile lenses on a film body, and we are lacking an equivalent on the M8... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 21, 2008 Share #17 Posted June 21, 2008 If they do produce one it will be more of a price issue than a size issue. You'll probably see a new Noct before you see a fast wide. In the "Noct" area my bet is for a 35... f 1 but even 0,95... curios that maybe for the first time, I think Leica, if planning announcements in the SWA and in the "Noct" areas, HAS to take into account competition... to say, they cannot not to consider that there is a Zeiss 15 2,8 (and, better for Leica, has a high price level ... a possible 16 f4 or 4,5 can stay around), and there is a CV 35 f 1,2 under 1KEuro... the magic of "Noctilux" name carries an implicit high price tag, but it MUST be MORE luminous than CV... that's why I wouldn't be surprised they'll try to "break" the f1 wall... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennersten Posted June 21, 2008 Share #18 Posted June 21, 2008 Superspeed lenses are not as desirable now as when we shot Kodachrome I. I do not believe in even new Summicron lenses in the near future. What we need is something like a coupled, filterable and coded 16mm/4.5. And a practical finder for it. The old man from the Age of the Super-Angulon Hehe i can't beleive a fellow countrymen from the dark North said that. My hometown had 30 minutes of sun i December...... At the middle of the day it was f2 1/60 sec at 400 ISO. I freaked out and sold my Summicron 35/2 for a Summilux 35/1.4. I have a Noct and i am absolutely buying a 28/1.4 before next winter if there is one. /HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasimir Posted June 21, 2008 Share #19 Posted June 21, 2008 Samme her. 800ISO; 1,4; 1/60 Mannen fra den mørke siden av moralsirkelen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manolo Posted June 21, 2008 Share #20 Posted June 21, 2008 so, a 35/.95 & 24/1.4 with some sort of external view-finder $? I think I would sell all my lenses for these two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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