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i love my 35/1.4, but only on my MP. on the M8, its too long for my taste. so i have the 28/2 to use as my main lens on the M8, Love it, but geez man, if only Leica made a 28/1.4. that would be... perfect... there's just no wide lenses for the M8 faster that f/2...

 

why don't they have a 28/1.4? is it a size issue?

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I agree it would be good to have a faster wide-angle; some who went on a recent trip to Solms are saying there's a 24mm Summilux coming which would surprise me 3 ways - likely size, likely cost and the "holes" in the lens range it would create - 28mm f1.4 and 24mm f2.

 

The current 24mm, with lens hood, obscures most of the lower right hand corner of the viewfinder image and even a slight increase in the lens hood size or position forwards from the camera would start to crop - and then obscure - the view of the rangefinder patch making focussing impossible. The lens itself could be quite a lot bigger (diameter) but the hood size and position is pretty much at the limit, as the Noctilux's is.

 

Elsewhere in the lens range, a doubling of lens speed means a near doubling of cost (28/2:28/2.8, 50/1.4:50/2, 90/2:90/2.8 and so on) so unless there is some move away from this established pattern, any of the 24/2, 24/1.4, 28/1.4 using the existing 28/2 and 24/2.8 as a starting point would be very expensive.

 

If a 24/1.4 is introduced, it would certainly be an impressive lens...

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I would not hold by breath. Much too big unless Leica choose to launch a 'cropped' lens for the first time. A 24/2 would be more plausible, almost mandatory given the tradition of Summicrons 35 at Leica's. The 28/2 doesn't do it with its 37mm FoV on the M8 IMHO.

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Superspeed lenses are not as desirable now as when we shot Kodachrome I. I do not believe in even new Summicron lenses in the near future. What we need is something like a coupled, filterable and coded 16mm/4.5. And a practical finder for it.

 

The old man from the Age of the Super-Angulon

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Superspeed lenses are not as desirable now as when we shot Kodachrome I. I do not believe in even new Summicron lenses in the near future. What we need is something like a coupled, filterable and coded 16mm/4.5. And a practical finder for it.

 

The old man from the Age of the Super-Angulon

 

i want the bokeh of a 1.4 on my 28!!! :p

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Just wait for the M9 with 24x36 sensor and you problem is solved with the Summilux 35.

 

I´ve got a Nikkor 28/1.4 and there´s an adapter from Novoflex Nikon -> Leica M. I´m just looking for a used one. That will help for the remaining time until M9 comes up.

 

Regards from HAnnover/Germany

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Superspeed lenses are not as desirable now as when we shot Kodachrome I.The old man from the Age of the Super-Angulon

 

Hmmm. On my Canon my MOST used lens is my 24/1.4L but adding this to a FF Canon body produces quite a brute (especially carrying a couple more fast lenses and several 1D series battery packs!). I'd certainly be very interested in anything M faster and wider than currently available.

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Leica are probably at a crossroads at the moment. Develop super fast lenses usable for a 1.3x crop (the only way imo) or hold off for the time being to see if a FF M is actually viable. If it isn't then they should proceed full speed with DX only lenses. Otherwise a lot of hardcore digital M users will be switching to a FF M9 (or whatever designation) anyways and will have no use for a DX lens, and even if it was physically possible a FF 28mm f/1.4 would probably cost upwards of $5K.

 

I know that if I had a choice between a FF M for $8K or a 24mm f/2 for $5K (D or FF) I'll go for the body and do just fine with my current 24. It's got to be a conundrum for them - sort of a chicken/egg what comes first. And what the market can actually bear before they totally price themselves out of it. I have a feeling Nikon will be introducing a smaller size FX body as well as some updated primes. I know an M isn't a Nikon, but they do compete.

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i love my 35/1.4, but only on my MP. on the M8, its too long for my taste. so i have the 28/2 to use as my main lens on the M8, Love it, but geez man, if only Leica made a 28/1.4. that would be... perfect... there's just no wide lenses for the M8 faster that f/2...

 

why don't they have a 28/1.4? is it a size issue?

 

A 28/1.4 would be nice, but large aperture in the times of usable high ISO i digital cameras, is not of the same importance as in film days. Surely, we can expect a nice bokeh from a 1.4 lens, but is this the first lens Leica should think about. A portrait 1/50 may have even niver bokeh, wide angle primes of 15-18 mm are missing completely and this years photokina may be dedicated to the R system with smaller focus on M gear.

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Leica are probably at a crossroads at the moment. Develop super fast lenses usable for a 1.3x crop (the only way imo) or hold off for the time being to see if a FF M is actually viable. If

see here:

I specifically asked Mr. Daniel if there is a psiibility that new M lenses would be "M8 only", i.e. not covering FF. His answer was quite clear, he said Leica would not go down that route for two reasons, a) film M bodies still sell quite well, and B) Leica does not want to lose the option of a FF digital M body.

 

Regards,

 

Andy

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/56309-infos-forum-meeting-2008-a-4.html#post585997

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I would not hold by breath. Much too big unless Leica choose to launch a 'cropped' lens for the first time. A 24/2 would be more plausible, almost mandatory given the tradition of Summicrons 35 at Leica's. The 28/2 doesn't do it with its 37mm FoV on the M8 IMHO.

 

LCT, may I get back to these words on, say, the 15th September 2008? :)

 

Regards,

 

Andy

 

P.S.: Remember, the 28 Summicron lens wasn't any bigger than the then current 28 Elmarit, despite a full stop more.

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LCT, may I get back to these words on, say, the 15th September 2008?....

Please do! :) A full frame 24/1.4 would be something like the Nikkor 28/1.4 i'm afraid. So my bet is 24/2.

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Superspeed lenses are not as desirable now as when we shot Kodachrome I. I do not believe in even new Summicron lenses in the near future. What we need is something like a coupled, filterable and coded 16mm/4.5. And a practical finder for it.

 

The old man from the Age of the Super-Angulon

 

Agree completely... obviously it would have also to beat the CV15... coupling, easy filtering and factory coding aren't enoght to justify, say at least a 3-4x price. I hope for them they are able to...

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i love my 35/1.4, but only on my MP. on the M8, its too long for my taste. so i have the 28/2 to use as my main lens on the M8, Love it, but geez man, if only Leica made a 28/1.4. that would be... perfect... there's just no wide lenses for the M8 faster that f/2...

 

why don't they have a 28/1.4? is it a size issue?

 

If they do produce one it will be more of a price issue than a size issue. You'll probably see a new Noct before you see a fast wide.

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thanks for the comments. from your comments, it seems that the prospect of a 28/1.4 or a 24/1.4 seem not likely in the near future. this is a shame as i think many will agree that the 35/1.4 is one of the most versitile lenses on a film body, and we are lacking an equivalent on the M8...

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If they do produce one it will be more of a price issue than a size issue. You'll probably see a new Noct before you see a fast wide.

 

In the "Noct" area my bet is for a 35... f 1 but even 0,95... ;) curios that maybe for the first time, I think Leica, if planning announcements in the SWA and in the "Noct" areas, HAS to take into account competition... to say, they cannot not to consider that there is a Zeiss 15 2,8 (and, better for Leica, has a high price level ... a possible 16 f4 or 4,5 can stay around), and there is a CV 35 f 1,2 under 1KEuro... the magic of "Noctilux" name carries an implicit high price tag, but it MUST be MORE luminous than CV... that's why I wouldn't be surprised they'll try to "break" the f1 wall...

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Superspeed lenses are not as desirable now as when we shot Kodachrome I. I do not believe in even new Summicron lenses in the near future. What we need is something like a coupled, filterable and coded 16mm/4.5. And a practical finder for it.

 

The old man from the Age of the Super-Angulon

 

Hehe i can't beleive a fellow countrymen from the dark North said that. My hometown had 30 minutes of sun i December...... At the middle of the day it was f2 1/60 sec at 400 ISO.

I freaked out and sold my Summicron 35/2 for a Summilux 35/1.4. I have a Noct and i am absolutely buying a 28/1.4 before next winter if there is one.

 

/HD

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