meatboy Posted October 19, 2006 Share #121 Posted October 19, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) William, thanks for the warm welcome. As for using the viewfinder, and seeing better with it (as opposed to SLR finders), yes, I love being able to see the actual instant the shutter fires, and it also enable me to see with my naked eye up to the moment right up to taking the exposure. Anthony, your reason above is exactly my reason for moving to rangefinders too. Also I am happy to be away from the ground glass screen of the SLR. Perhaps the ground glass is a more accurate representation of the final image but it hinders my "seeing". I used Olympus Zuiko glass for a long while and while happy with the results I was never quite 100% satisfied with the quality of the image. I now know what Leica glass can do and wished I'd moved to Leica years ago. A welcome to the forum also. Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vic vic Posted October 19, 2006 Share #122 Posted October 19, 2006 hi marc.. whats up... u know.. im sure that we all be surprised suddenly how many will be on that lonly icland of film user :-))) i will be there too - for sure... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted October 19, 2006 Share #123 Posted October 19, 2006 ah anthony - i see that the running sean reids street photograpyh is a new thread... i mean to an older one a few weeks ago i think.... here is the link - hope it works : http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/1456-sean-reid-street-photography-4.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted October 25, 2006 Share #124 Posted October 25, 2006 Just a quick follow up observation on this subject. Yesterday I was at a film editing facility supervising work on a TV commercial (shot on film BTW), and there was a show put up by a local photographer in the lobby. It featured large analog color prints that caught my eye immediately. Not only did I like his work, I was stunned by the look and feel of the prints themselves. I realized that over the past few years my eye had been deadened by inkjets and other digital prints. The last time I had this realization was when seeing the Diane Arbus show in NYC. ... where the B&W silver prints made me realize how far backwards we were moving in the name of progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted October 25, 2006 Share #125 Posted October 25, 2006 ha ha marc.. dont know the photographer and his works but i understand what u say of course:-)))))) dont know if call it "moving backwarss in the name of prograss" but, ya.. there is no match for film and truly mastered darkroom print wether it is b/w or slide. ah, by the way... i think i have mentioned it.. on monday i have made the first serious examination of leaf aptus back.... mixed feelings, just like it was before the examination.... the back was on mamiya 645af camera (they dont have adapters for rollei), but still i could get the initial sense i wanted at this stage... i also took the back outdoors without the controled studio conditions or controled location conditions (where i do know how those stuff work.. at least the miacon)... simply dont know what to say... playing with files, playing on and on... fuji provia makes life easssier to me. note, this is not canon/nikon or what ever - this is f**** leaf back (top of technology)... actually, the aptus is amazing if the thought about "provia" doesnt run in your mind :-))))))))))))) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M'Ate Posted October 25, 2006 Share #126 Posted October 25, 2006 Just a quick follow up observation on this subject. I realized that over the past few years my eye had been deadened by inkjets and other digital prints. The last time I had this realization was when seeing the Diane Arbus show in NYC. ... where the B&W silver prints made me realize how far backwards we were moving in the name of progress. hey Marc, You'll be selling your place in the M8 queue then ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest darkstar2004 Posted October 25, 2006 Share #127 Posted October 25, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Some people are still shooting 8x10 sheet film - if 8x10 film and chemicals can survive in the digital age, I would expect 120 and 35mm to survive. 120 and 35mm may become like sheet film - a specialty thing, but I doubt that it will disappear completely. Digital cameras are the tools of professional shooters and the toys of the masses; film and cameras that use film are the tools of the photographic connoisseur. That's my humble opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted October 25, 2006 Share #128 Posted October 25, 2006 I like being able to give my clients the option of film - some of them actually prefer it. They like the look and longevity of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 25, 2006 Share #129 Posted October 25, 2006 ... film and cameras that use film are the tools of the photographic connoisseur. Couldn't disagree more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted October 28, 2006 Share #130 Posted October 28, 2006 Well yesterday was a watershed day for my use of film. The Imacon 949 arrived at my studio and I took a couple hour tutorial with it from the reseller. Scanned some M7 negs from last Saturday's wedding. All I can say is WOW ! Made the 1DsMKII B&W digital stuff I had done at the same wedding look weak in comparison. Can't wait to shoot some MF film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted October 28, 2006 Share #131 Posted October 28, 2006 hi marc... what - have u bought it r just testing??? if bought then my congrats man :-)))) what's WOW??? is it so sunstencially improved??? i have alot of scans from the 848 and the 646 too which are great of course... which one did u use previously??? do u see the big differance in final high quality print (or just on about full size pixel level)??? i had a look at this scanner on imacon website when u previously mentioned it, sounds intresting indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted October 29, 2006 Share #132 Posted October 29, 2006 It's all mine Victor. The wow factor is just film being scanned at it's best. The D-Max on this scanner is 4.9, it'll scan up to 8000 dpi. and do it in under 2 minutes. It's twice as fast as the 848 I had on loan for a month. The difference doesn't show up on a computer screen ... but when you print it ... WOW ! Shot some MF film, as well a roll of M7 neg at today's wedding. Can't wait to scan it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorg Posted October 29, 2006 Share #133 Posted October 29, 2006 Film will be around for a while, but these products and their processing will slowly become more and more expensive . . . harder to find, and just plain inconvienient in regards to time. Not much anybody can do about it except enjoy the process and it's results while you can . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 29, 2006 Share #134 Posted October 29, 2006 I realized that over the past few years my eye had been deadened by inkjets and other digital prints. The last time I had this realization was when seeing the Diane Arbus show in NYC. ... where the B&W silver prints made me realize how far backwards we were moving in the name of progress. The wow factor is just film being scanned at it's best. The D-Max on this scanner is 4.9, it'll scan up to 8000 dpi. and do it in under 2 minutes. It's twice as fast as the 848 I had on loan for a month. The difference doesn't show up on a computer screen ... but when you print it ... WOW ! Just wondering how you square these two statements, Marc? So, which do you prefer? Film and silver printing, or digital via a scanner? How are you printing these Imacon scans? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted October 29, 2006 Share #135 Posted October 29, 2006 Personally i like the special fingerprint of the 16 MB CF-card delivered with my first own digital camera some years ago. Today i cannot shoot a single RAW-file on it, digital eats itself I purchased a complete new M-system (MP, asph. lenses) in 2004 and the impact that had on my whole photography (film + digital) is simply priceless. Even if film would be dead from now on, the photos i made with the M were personally worth the whole deal. We have to face a shrinking film-program and the big players may stop their production, but film will stay alive as long we buy film. I still can buy 8mm-film for the film-camera of my grandpa, that makes me quit sure for 35mm. And i have a fridge ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted October 29, 2006 Share #136 Posted October 29, 2006 Even if film would be dead from now on, the photos i made with the M where personally worth the whole deal. And i have a fridge ;-) Film will be marketed until the year 2087, trust me. Supplies after that date will be unreliable, so keep your fridge handy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gberger Posted October 29, 2006 Share #137 Posted October 29, 2006 I have a grandson who is in graduate school, getting his MS and PhD in Optical Science. Since I'm getting along (age-wise) I wrote to him and offered him my entire film-based M series of cameras and lensxes, plus a couple of 2002 projectors. BUT, only on the promise that he'd learn how to use them. A couple of paragraphs in his answer intrugued me: > snip "Well, as you may or may not know, pretty much everyone who majors in optical science sooner or later gets really serious about photography. I understand that 35mm and digital are completely different artforms. We've already gone into great detail into the history of cameras and lenses, their design, and how they operate in one of my optical science classes. I probably wouldn't spend much money myself on any 35mm digital or film equipment (at least in the near future). However, that doesn't negate the fact that I would be absolutely thrilled to have your equipment. I'd absolutely use it." >snip "BTW, you're absolutely right on the capability of film and slides to preserve images over time. I've been taking all-digital pictures since I was a sophomore in high school. I've taken a lot of them, but for whatever reason, most of them have been lost over time from hard drive crashes, computer upgrades, or just losing track of the files. It's really bad, and recently, since I've started taking photography more seriously, I've decided to keep better track and better backups of all of my pictures. But, as you have said, that is definitely no substitute for film and slides. I've always thought of that as the number 1 limitation of digital photography and unfortunately, it's a big one! (Isn't that what we take pictures for? To keep for many decades to eventually show to our children and grandchildren?)" > snip Further, this deponent sayeth not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted October 29, 2006 Share #138 Posted October 29, 2006 Good observation Andy. I haven't squared them. My quest is to keep film in the mix. I can do it two ways: scan and print (either with a inkjet or a Fuji Frontier) ; or the traditional B&W darkroom ... which I still have. A majority of my work is for weddings. Since I shoot digital color for these, then I have to provide anything I do on film in the same form for the clients. What I have determined is that the scan is the most important link in the processing chain in order to preserve the characteristics of film however it is printed. And choice of paper when printing inkjets is next in importance. My hope is that inkjet printers will continue to improve, and that seems likely. Papers are also improving and more choices are becoming available. The good thing is that with film I have a choice. At any time I can revert back to silver prints if I wish. Once I retire from my day job, I'll offer a high end wedding package with traditional hand pulled silver prints like I did when I first started shooting weddings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted October 30, 2006 Share #139 Posted October 30, 2006 marcc... congrats again man.. now it is real commitment u saw and my apriciations for it man :-))))) i was also thinking about high end scanner. my case it was towards creo iq-smart3 (although imacon 9 and 8 were also concidered). i had even a personal presentations iq-s3 at leaf/kodak offices here in hertzelia (israel where they are based) cause i know files from the creo grand "EverSmart" but it is too much beyound my financial abilities (u can buy a few of imacons in price of ever-smart creo :-)))) anyway... as u may know now... i have become more and more comfortable with the idea that i will and i can use the digital back, so im focused on digital back and as by the way on new rollei hy6 (or the leaf version which is called afi).... simply cannot make both investments rite now (both scanner and ddigi-bak).. so while i feel a need for digi back, having the top scanner at my place is much of a luxury at the moment.... a bit later i suppose i can take on of those scanners, but now i will keep on using the pro labs who will supply the archival scans for selected stufff and those that need serious post-production.... this service can be found in many places including here in israel, or when overseas. now man, wait... i understand that there is overall imression improvement in quality of the scan, but how u dont see it on monitor (at real size simulation on monitor or on full size) ???? how it is with that new light in the new version imacon9?? when i had a look at imacons new brochure i thought it is like having "oil mounting"?? also, do u have that "batch adapter" (or what ever they call it). i have never saw this batch adabter.. does it works comfortably? also, i understand that the software reamins the same as on 8 and previous 9? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted October 30, 2006 Share #140 Posted October 30, 2006 Darn right it is a commitment Victor. I could lease a Porche for a couple of years for what this cost. But I'd probably kill myself in the car ... the scanner is a lot safer ... unless my wife finds out ... then I'm as good as dead : -) I am scanning right now. On my way to work today I dropped off 3 rolls of 220 and a roll of 35mm from the M7. I have them leave it uncut. At noon I picked them up. This thing previews 3 MF frames in under 15 seconds, and scans them so fast that I can hardly select the next 3 to scan before 3 frames are scanned. Fast !!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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