Some News (or Rumor) About R10

[Riley]

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Blame Panasonic, they have some serious discrimination against male. The slogan they chose for the camera is "A Camera For The Ladies". LOL

 

Take it easy, it's only a joke, ok?

 

this isnt a forum for tossers, and no place for gender related 'jokes'

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[sdai]

this isnt a forum for tossers, and no place for gender related 'jokes'

 

Then you should send a complain letter to Panasonic. Sue them, bring them to your knees and let them go bankruptcy.

[AlanG]

Which you wouldn't get with some sort of micro4/3 system with an EVF... (IMHO)

 

Let's agree to disagree on this one, Alan

 

 

You are right. However the camera I described was 24 megapixel full frame with the capability for a vast range of lenses and the maximum potential for tilt and shift. Thus it would have a lot of photographic potential whether you see that or not. And I believe that at some point in the future, most photographers will find that EVF works better for them than an optical viewfinder does.

 

Of course few of us feel that way today. But companies have to plan for the future. I bet every DSLR manufacturer is thinking about or researching EVF. Also consider that still and video cameras are destined to merge. It really doesn't matter what some of us prefer, this is going to happen. That is also a prediction from Red Cinema Cameras who allude to be working on a DSLR/video hybrid.

In development... - Reduser.net

 

And there may always be a market for traditional products too.

[Overgaard]

Hmm, something is happening. Just noticed that all "new" R lenses at Leica Camera Berlin is now sold as "demo models" at reduced prices.

 

A slightly bad sign as I don't expect a full range of new R-lenses introduced on monday...

 

hmm...

 

For the diehard R fans amongst us there's a few good deals. And look in their Special Offers section as well, some nice 2nd hand R lenses with 1 year warranty at great prices.

 

Don't touch the 180mm f/2 in there. That's mine

[sdai]

The "Demo" sale has begun in the States for at least 6 months already, perhaps even from last year. Still more expensive than what I've paid for most of mine even at their "original" introductory prices, they're more likely the "old" prices before the last price bump.

 

I've said many times that the R is dead, all I'm eager to know is whether the new system will support R lenses or not, and to what degree.

 

If the new system doesn't provide native support to R lenses and commands a price similar to current mid-range medium format digital then I'd rather go for a H3D.

[lct]

...If the new system doesn't provide native support to R lenses and commands a price similar to current mid-range medium format digital then I'm going for a H3D.

Probably D700 for me of perhaps the next 5D if i keep my R lenses. Last time i bought a Canon was 20+ years ago. Never thought i could do it again.

[jaapv]

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so besides some of your other prejudices, you have an obvious gender issue as well ?

Generally I don't think it is such a bad idea to make tools like cameras in different designs for different genders, after all there is a difference in size and shape between the hands of men and women, making for different ergonomics. My wife had problems finding a video camera where she could reach the zoom toggle easily.

[sdai]

Probably D700 for me of perhaps the next 5D if i keep my R lenses. Last time i bought a Canon was 20+ years ago. Never thought i could do it again.

 

The D700 is a great choice but in terms of absolute image quality it won't be in the same class of the "5D Mk II".

 

Canon has improved a lot in a 20 years course, I was a die hard Nikon fanatic as well ... then converted when the original 1Ds was introduced ... and I was proudly the first "official" owner of the camera in the country. Mine carries the 10th production serial number.

[lct]

Do you expect the "5D Mk II" to have a weaker AA filter?

[sdai]

Do you expect the "5D Mk II" to have a weaker AA filter?

 

I have no idea about that, but the side impact of AA has been vastly exaggerated IMO. The original 5D's AA is quite weak already.

[lct]

I thought the placticy look came from the AA filter. But i know nothing about Canon. I'll wait and see the IQ of the next 5D. Thanks.

[stunsworth]

Whatever the reason, the M8 using Leica glass produces 'sharper' results than the Canon 5D using Leica glass.

[adan]

Let's just bear in mind that using 12, 16, 18 or 24 Mpixels is pretty irrelevant if you put an 6- or 8Mpixel lens in front of it.

 

I've looked at the early samples dpreview has from the Sony a900 and was underwhelmed at the resolution even with some of the "Zeiss" lenses. Many of my M8 shots - and some of my Sony R1 shots - would contain more fine detail than those a900 images if I just uprezzed them to 6000 x 4000 pixels in ACR.

 

Project a fuzzy image onto a billion pixels - and you'll still end up with a fuzzy image in a humongous file size.

 

Not pimping Leica here - just commenting on sdai and lct's Canonikon debate. Good glass from any source on the D700 will outperform weak lenses on the Super-5D - and verse-viza.

[carstenw]

R stands for Rad

 

R for Rhetorical?

 

Hopefully not.

[steich]

Hmm, something is happening. Just noticed that all "new" R lenses at Leica Camera Berlin is now sold as "demo models" at reduced prices.

 

I see, as you mentioned, some "demo" lenses- but apart from these, there are quite a lot of lenses for the normal price....so there is hope for "R" ;-)

 

Regards

Stefan

[EH21]

I have no idea about that, but the side impact of AA has been vastly exaggerated IMO. The original 5D's AA is quite weak already.

 

It's maybe weaker than some of the canon bodies but its still there. I shoot both a DMR and a 5D with the same leica R lenses. It's quite apparent that more fine detail from the same framing is available from the DMR even though it's got less pixels. Not even a question that the R glass helps the Canon too. The DMR benefits from both the lack of AA filter but also from true 16bit files.

[sdai]

It's maybe weaker than some of the canon bodies but its still there. I shoot both a DMR and a 5D with the same leica R lenses. It's quite apparent that more fine detail from the same framing is available from the DMR even though it's got less pixels.

 

Apples should be compared to apples. Remember the DMR has a 1.33x cropping factor. When its Kodak sensor is cut into 36x24 full format, it's gonna be 17.6MP.

 

Put it this way, the DMR's pixel density is about 2.1MP per square centimeter, the 5D's pixel density is only 1.5MP per square centimeter. Mathematically, the DMR should have close to 40% more resolution than the 5D so what's the surprise?

 

The only way to prove it is to take two identical shots with and without the AA on the same camera with the same lens.

[GreyCoupe]

Does no announcement today infer that there will be no R 10 at Photokina? Someone had predicted an announcement on 15 September and new products were announced, but no R 10. I recognize that there are those for and against the evolution of the R line, but inquiring minds want to know.

 

No R 10 at Photokina, or does one have to wait out the entire show?

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[R10dreamer]

I still believe that if Leica can't support the R series they will be out of business within 3-5 years. A rangefinder, albeit a great one, is not enough to support a camera company in my opinion.

[mjh]

No R 10 at Photokina, or does one have to wait out the entire show?

The Leica press conference is scheduled for 9/24, 10:00 am CEST. There is a new camera – you will have noticed references to Leica’s still mysterious AFRika project – to be announced, but probably not introduced prior to 2009. This new camera may not be an R series camera as we know it.