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Amoment

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Hi Joe 90,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I'm sure most street photographers have come across subjects who have made it very obvious that they don't want their photo taken, but a shrug of the shoulders, a smile, and you quickly move on.

 

My problem with your original post was that it came across, to me, as though you were suffering paranoia. But then, perhaps it's me that's naive in that I still believe in innocence.

 

Stuart :)

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ChrisC

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.. in Tower Hamlets,...Sometimes I would change my route/time to reduce the chance of being stopped

 

Curious, so your behaviour was inconveniently modified whilst going about your lawful business yet you retained your butch dignity, but a photographer who modifies their behaviour is some sort of twee wuss? :

 

 

As a street photographer, I think it is of benefit to have a thick skin, but also good interpersonal skills, as this will get you a more natural shot. If you give up street photography the first time someone says boo, or you become more self concious, you will be the worse as a photographer for it..........Checks as described would not stop a good street photographer or journalist..

 

There is a lot of presumption in the above about what constitutes 'street' photography, or rather; photography done in open, public places. There is a world of difference between the sensibilities of 'in yer face' NY-school photographers or even press/paparrazzi photographers, and photographers working to express more delicate work. Their is a world of difference in the mindset needed to work in each way. Hell's teeth, if the gold standard of photography is journalistic or paparrazzi photography I'd give up and throw my camera off the nearest bridge tomorrow.

 

I don't doubt your or anyone else's fears regarding terrorist threats, I too have experienced that fear; and my uncle experienced the carnage of the IRA bombing of Birmingham [uK] first hand and carried the trauma the rest of his life. But none of that constitutes a legitimate linkage of terrorism to photography, and doing so produces lazy, ineffectual policing which perversely encroaches on our rights as citizens to photograph in public. That you don't understand how or why that police encroachment effects some photography may be peculiar for someone contributing to a photography forum, but be assured that many of us do understand the how and why; which is why we voice our concerns.

 

And yes, my name actually is ;

 

.............Chris

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This is totally unacceptable behaviour by the police; how can we expect PCSOs to show better judgement when fully trained police are acting in this way? I can only wonder at how PC Farooq has managed to keep his job.

 

Pete.

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This is totally unacceptable behaviour by the police; how can we expect PCSOs to show better judgement when fully trained police are acting in this way? I can only wonder at how PC Farooq has managed to keep his job.

 

Pete.

 

While I am not being PC. I am willing to bet that if it had been PC Smith he would not have.

Brian

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I read through this SFMOMA saga. Bearing in mind that we have only read about one side of the story, although the SFMOMA reply supported their employee, inside the organisation the matter is hopefully being taken more seriously.

 

Perhaps some more photographers should turn up and see if they get thrown out

 

Museums should be setting an example and opening up to photography not the reverse. Where would art museums be without their photogra phic collections?

 

It is a bit of an irony is it not that camera companies are churning out cameras by the ever increasing millions and the way it is going we will soon be using them only in our own back yards. Why buy them?

 

Jeff

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....SFMOMA reply supported their employee......Museums should be setting an example and opening up to photography not the reverse....

 

The SFMOMA tale is a grubby one. I have long believed that salaried officers in publicly funded arts organisations who exhibit contempt towards artists and creative people demonstrate that their employment position is untenable. Let's hope that MOMA doesn't learn the purloining ruse of National Museum of Wales [uk], where you can gain permission to photograph on the premises [and as I recall, the same rule applies to making drawings etc.], but by signing the 'permissions' form you are strong-armed into transferring the copyright of any images made; to the Museum. 'It's theft Jim, as we know it'.

 

................. Chris

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Anti terror campaign/suspicious photographers - WhatDoTheyKnow

 

Well, the Metropolitan Police have themselves broken the law by not responding to my Freedom of Information request within the statutory time limits!!!!

 

I have asked for a formal review and a response in the meantime. I have also been advised to write separately to the Associate of Chief Police Officers.

 

In the meantime my local MP has written back to confirm he has signed the early day motion.

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Well done James for pressing on with this. I suspect that the MPS are taking the line that "if we ignore this it will go away", not unusual IMO.

 

There are however within the 21 July response a couple of things that might throw a spanner in the works.

e.g. "Your request will now be considered in accordance with the Freedom of

Information Act 2000 (the Act). You will receive a response within the

statutory timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act, subject to

the information not being exempt or containing a reference to a third

party. In some circumstances the MPS may be unable to achieve this

deadline. If this is likely you will be informed and given a revised

time-scale at the earliest opportunity."

And also" Some requests may also require either full or partial transference to

another public authority in order to answer your query in the fullest

possible way. Again, you will be informed if this is the case."

 

You should however have been informed if either of the above is considered to apply in this instance.

 

It would not surprise me if they used "exempt" in this instance, citing terrorism legislation or some such.

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I do feel that it would be very beneficial to have a sensible, and rational debate, as to why photography is a problem to certain individuals and institutions. I can understand that there are copyright, privacy, and some security issues, but fail to understand the current paranoia.

 

I live and work in a tourist area, and I'm sure that I am in hundreds, if not thousands of photographs, that end up in the four corners of the World.

 

Am I bothered?

 

Not one iota.

 

Stuart :)

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