earleygallery Posted August 4, 2008 Share #381 Posted August 4, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Another letter sent. My FOI request with the Metropolitan Police is still outstanding....... Dear Andrew Pelling, I wrote to you some time back and my letter was answered by Richard Ottoway in your absence, however I understand that you have now returned to work. I am assuming that you will be able to locate copies of my previous correspondence, in relation to the rights of photographers in the UK. My letter requested that you read and support the Early Day Motion 1155 - UK Parliament - Early Day Motions By Details Please can you add your name to this EDM in support? Richard Ottoway said that he was unable to respond to my request not being my elected representative in the House of Commons. This is a very serious problem, and it seems a growing one. Apart from over zealous Community Support Officers members of the public are also challenging innocent photographers in some cases violently. This article refers to a recent incident in our own borough of Croydon; Man chased off Croydon tram by angry mob after taking photo of child I can provide you with details of many more such instances if you so wish. Looking forward to your response, Yours sincerely, James Earley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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farnz Posted August 4, 2008 Share #382 Posted August 4, 2008 For the record, I have also again lobbied the formerly absent on long-term sick leave Andrew Pelling who is my MP too, so he'll have some reading to do when he returns with his bucket and spade from his summer hols ... Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
someonenameddavid Posted August 5, 2008 Share #383 Posted August 5, 2008 what is really needed is a series of weekly protests by odd photographers taking pictures and in sufficient quantities to make it unfeasible to arrest them all... David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 5, 2008 Share #384 Posted August 5, 2008 what is really needed is a series of weekly protests by odd photographers taking pictures and in sufficient quantities to make it unfeasible to arrest them all... Or blindfolded photographers taking pictures of children? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted August 7, 2008 Share #385 Posted August 7, 2008 See the Madelaine McCann story on the Daily Telegraph site. Maddie snatched after being photographed for Belgian paedophile ring. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 12, 2008 Share #386 Posted August 12, 2008 Dentist branded a terrorist after taking pictures of landmark shopping centre | Mail Online Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 12, 2008 Share #387 Posted August 12, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) See the Madelaine McCann story on the Daily Telegraph site. Maddie snatched after being photographed for Belgian paedophile ring. Jeff Not quite sure why this is relevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted August 12, 2008 Share #388 Posted August 12, 2008 Dentist branded a terrorist after taking pictures of landmark shopping centre | Mail Online Andy - That story is outrageous. 'Successfully' taking the camera would technically be assault. The accusation against the photographer is slander. An apology alone is insufficient; dismissal of the aggressors should have been mandatory. ................ Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 12, 2008 Share #389 Posted August 12, 2008 Andy - That story is outrageous. 'Successfully' taking the camera would technically be assault. No, it would be theft. I agree, outrageous. As the article points out he was quite legally photographing from a public space (as opposed to inside where they could impose whatever rules they wish). Again it comes down to a paranoid over zealous 'security' person with no knowledge of the law. Unfortunately it didn't sound like the Dr had a good understanding of his rights. He should simply have called the police there and then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted August 13, 2008 Share #390 Posted August 13, 2008 Not quite sure why this is relevant. It is relevant because it will increase the public's concern about photography. It was news to me that the police believe that children can be photographed to order and then abducted. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 13, 2008 Share #391 Posted August 13, 2008 See the Madelaine McCann story on the Daily Telegraph site. Maddie snatched after being photographed for Belgian paedophile ring. Jeff You're jumping to quite a few conclusions there aren't you?! If this is the article you refer to they state; His son, who also works at the restaurant, the only one on the beach, said he told police he had seen a "tall, thin Englishman in his forties" taking photographs. "He was weird, a strange guy," Ivo Mochacho, 23, told The Sunday Telegraph. He said police visited the restaurant just after Madeleine vanished. "Madeleine came here for lunch with her parents not long before she disappeared," he said. "I don't know if this guy took a picture of Madeleine. It's impossible to say. But he took a lot of photographs on the beach. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2529324/Madeleine-McCann-Strange-Englishman-photographed-children-on-beach.html I don't see where it states that he took a photo of her, or indeed where it states that he was a member of a paedo ring as you have said?? Has the said photo you mention been published in the papers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted August 13, 2008 Share #392 Posted August 13, 2008 James, I saw the original report of this on DPReview. It is still an active thread, halfway down the News Forum. I cant get your link to work but I suspect it is not the same. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 13, 2008 Share #393 Posted August 13, 2008 Jeff, I found the discussion thread you refer to on DP review. Appears it is from an 'anonymous source' and was never substantiated. As someone else commented on DP review, in any event it wasn't the act of taking a photograph that resulted in the childs disapperance.... But I agree it only serves to feed the current climate of paranoia against photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe 90 Posted August 16, 2008 Share #394 Posted August 16, 2008 I got annoyed recently when someone took pictures of my kid, in a public shopping centre, without asking. It can be worrying for parents. That was a first time for me. I am also concerned about terrorism in London, and I do think that the threat from terrorism is worth being subjected to the level of inconvinience that the guy in Andy's photo (A photographer taking pictures of tower bridge, stopped by 2 police officers) was subjected to. I guess we should adapt, and carry a buisness card, with our name, "Amateur Photographer", website, email and mobile number, and hand it out when questioned. If we are carrying a mobile, they could ring as verification. Geotagged photos (initially just from iphones, etc) on websites like flickr will become a real goldmine for Police. Not only can they search for pictures of a crime scene days or weeks before, they can ultimately get a witness who was on site, looking at the place with the detailed eye of a photographer. I already use a Lumix FX100 as a light meter/date recorder, taking a shot of the subject to get a datestamp and light meter reading. At home, I can match the scan to the digi pic, and potentially fill in some EXIF info on my film scans. If I had an iphone instead I could effectively use it to capture light meter and geotag data. Given time, photographers may be seen by Police more as a global resource, and encouraged even. Until then, perhaps the best we can do is learn how to quickly let them rule us out as suspects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 16, 2008 Share #395 Posted August 16, 2008 ... I guess we should adapt, and carry a buisness card, with our name, "Amateur Photographer", website, email and mobile number, and hand it out when questioned. If we are carrying a mobile, they could ring as verification.... This seems to me to be a version of a national identity card and we all know what outcry that invokes. What would stop would-be terrorists from carry a similar card, which would legitimise them and make their activities harder to detect ... ? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted August 16, 2008 Author Share #396 Posted August 16, 2008 This seems to me to be a version of a national identity card and we all know what outcry that invokes. What would stop would-be terrorists from carry a similar card, which would legitimise them and make their activities harder to detect ... ? Pete. Quite. If I were a terrorist (Popular Front for the Liberation of Frimley, for example) I would do everything I could to "hide in plain sight". This would include adopting and subverting anything that made me look more legitimate to cursory inspection. As an aside, I was stopped in the street last weekend by some very nice people raising a petition against national identity cards. I asked them what they would do with my name and address. "Put them on a database" said the nice lady... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 16, 2008 Share #397 Posted August 16, 2008 A little success at last!!! As those who've been following this thread will know, I've been lobbying my MP to sign Austen Mitchell's Early Day Motion 1155 but my MP, Andrew Pelling, has been on long-term sick leave and his stand-in, Richard Ottaway, wrote and told me that he was unable to sign on Andrew Pelling's behalf. I received a letter this morning from Andrew Pelling that reads: Dear Mr F@rnsworth, Thank you for your correspondence on Early Day Motion 1155 'Photography in Public Areas'. I have signed the motion buy due to the summer recess my name will not appear until October when Parliament is once again in session. Yours sincerely Andrew Pelling Perseverence pays off! Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_murray Posted August 16, 2008 Share #398 Posted August 16, 2008 If I were a terrorist (Popular Front for the Liberation of Frimley, for example) Sorry Bill - that group just splintered into Federation for a Free Frimley (2 members) and the racier Forza Frimley! party - 1 member. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker Posted August 16, 2008 Share #399 Posted August 16, 2008 I got annoyed recently when someone took pictures of my kid, in a public shopping centre, without asking. It can be worrying for parents. Would you mind explaining to us why you were annoyed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 16, 2008 Share #400 Posted August 16, 2008 Sorry Bill - that group just splintered into Federation for a Free Frimley (2 members)and the racier Forza Frimley! party - 1 member. No no no! We're the Popular People's Front of Frimley aren't we?? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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