pascal_meheut Posted September 10, 2006 Share #101 Posted September 10, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can't agree sorry.It's not only iso settings but exposure compensation as well. How do you do this in bright sunlight on a LCD? According to someone who tried it in Perpigna, the screen can be perfectly seen under sunlight. the capability of bumping ISO on the fly is the first major advantage shooting with digital Is it ? I thought that no film cost and no processing cost was one of the major advantage. As is instant reviewing... Anyway, if you change ISO picture by picture, maybe but in this case you should avoid the M which has always been designed with as few controls as possible to help you concentrate on the subject. Some people are reported to even be able to shoot pictures without focusing using something called hyperfocal and even using a M without lightmeter... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rosuna Posted September 10, 2006 Share #102 Posted September 10, 2006 Can't agree sorry.It's not only iso settings but exposure compensation as well. How do you do this in bright sunlight on a LCD? Well, that is true for any control in the LCD menus. The point is that you cannot have a direct and physical control for all the parameters. I don't adjust the ISO or white balance for each picture. Shooting RAW, white balance, for instance, is not so important. ISO and exposure compensation are another thing. I think the exposure compensation is more likely to be adjusted often. Leica prefers, however, a minimalist design. I would have liked a direct control of the ISO and exposure compensation, or at least permanent ISO information. I consider it a flaw, but it is not a serious one. Good performance and general design are the "non sequitur". Perhaps the M9..., but I will not wait for it. The M8 seems to be very exciting. Now, the big question is... how much? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 10, 2006 Share #103 Posted September 10, 2006 FYI on the LCD screens . I owned many brands and the DMR by far has the best LCD to see in sunlight. Not sure what company they are getting these from but hopefully that has not changed. Bigger does always relate to better as with Canon's but the M8 is 2.5 which is bigger than the 1.8 I believe of the DMR so if they are using the same LCD this should be awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted W Posted September 10, 2006 Share #104 Posted September 10, 2006 It might be slick to have a snap-in cover for the LCD screen. If you set the various parameters in advance, then you can work the thing just like a film M, only dealing with the screen when you need to change something. That would be great for the guys who don't want to bother with review. Ah, wishing and speculation. The camera seems perfectly fine as it is and I will get one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterlenz Posted September 10, 2006 Share #105 Posted September 10, 2006 snip I would have liked a direct control of the ISO and exposure compensation, or at least permanent ISO information. I consider it a flaw, but it is not a serious one. snip I agree. On my D70, I have forgotten to re-set the ISO to after bumping it up to 1600 a number of times. My 2DX on the other hand has a dedicated ISO button and ISO display on the back (thus 'in your face') - a very good reminder! We have not seen if ISO is displayed continuously on the M8's LCD or not - need to wait and see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterlenz Posted September 10, 2006 Share #106 Posted September 10, 2006 It might be slick to have a snap-in cover for the LCD screen. snip I hope so too! And one that does not fall off easily! I hope they have 'blow-up' chimping like on the DX2 (and others) too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 10, 2006 Share #107 Posted September 10, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) If this is like the DMR, you can disable the auto-review. This is what I've done. Less power consumption and I review only when I want/need too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlm Posted September 10, 2006 Share #108 Posted September 10, 2006 i'm still confused about what the "Protect" button would do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 10, 2006 Share #109 Posted September 10, 2006 Protect the current reviewed image to avoid deleting it by accident ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlm Posted September 10, 2006 Share #110 Posted September 10, 2006 on the digilux 2, when you attempt to delete, you have to confirm the action via the LCD screen using the arrows on the wheel. so the M8 needs to waste a hard key for delete-proofing, eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 10, 2006 Share #111 Posted September 10, 2006 ...Now, the big question is... how much? 4,300 euro according to this source. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted September 10, 2006 Share #112 Posted September 10, 2006 on the digilux 2, when you attempt to delete, you have to confirm the action via the LCD screen using the arrows on the wheel. so the M8 needs to waste a hard key for delete-proofing, eh? jlm-- "Protect" is probably the same as the 'Mark/Unmark' function on some cameras, maybe including Digilux 2: You have the choice of 'marking' all the shots you don't want to delete, then choose 'delete all' and all except the 'marked' ones are deleted. On the D200, Nikon does the same thing backward: You choose 'Hide' and the image will not display on the review screen. Then when you choose 'delete all,' only the non-'hidden' images will be deleted. In both cases you must still confirm the action with the multi-function button before it is carried out. And in both cases of course, 'format card' will clear all data, including 'hidden' or 'protected.' It isn't uncommon to have a 'quick button' like this--check the image once; if it's a 'keeper,' press "Protect." --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted September 10, 2006 Share #113 Posted September 10, 2006 Still no iso setting... The M8 should incorporate a lot of the operational functionality of the Digital-Module-R. In preparation for the M8, I've been reading up on the Digital-Module-R Instructions Manual. While the M8 does not have the physical "Setting Dial" as on the DMR, it should behave in a similar same way in adjusting the actual ISO the white balance through the "Menu" button and consecutive use of the "Setting Ring" and, or "Directions Buttons." Note, the "Setting Dial" and "Setting Ring" are separate physical controls. This is all very similar to adjusting the ISO and white balance on a Digilux 2, which I find ready accessible and fairly fast to use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
humanized_form Posted September 10, 2006 Share #114 Posted September 10, 2006 hmmm.... there is something about that door and the way it latches(or whatever that element is sticking out).i wonder why would it be designed that way... does it look like there is something sort of on top of the protruding part? a small dial or wheel? just seems like an odd place to put a usb/firewire/whatever connector. seems to be located right about where my finger sometimes rests(when not focussing) while looking through the viewfinder. could it be used for some sort of adjustment, perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 10, 2006 Share #115 Posted September 10, 2006 Is it ? I thought that no film cost and no processing cost was one of the major advantage. As is instant reviewing... As long as you never bother printing any of your pictures on paper, otherwise, the cost is probably mounting higher than what you spend on film and processing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimF Posted September 10, 2006 Share #116 Posted September 10, 2006 if adjusting exposure compensation quickly is a hassle the 1/3 stops available on the zeiss lenses look real nice! haha... That's funny. My Leica M lenses have infinitely adjustable aperture controls, unlike my Canon ones, which are restricted to 1/3rds of a stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 10, 2006 Share #117 Posted September 10, 2006 As long as you never bother printing any of your pictures on paper, otherwise, the cost is probably mounting higher than what you spend on film and processing. You live in a strange world. My printing cost is the same whether I shoot film or digital and I still do both. However, the film and processing cost is not the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 10, 2006 Share #118 Posted September 10, 2006 My printing cost is the same whether I shoot film or digital and I still do both. That maybe true if you let Wal-mart directly print off your memory card. Use your head ... if you only shoot film, you don't even have to buy a computer, not to mention expensive software, printers, ink cartridges and papers ... and you can avoid bothering with people living in a strange world on the Internet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 10, 2006 Share #119 Posted September 10, 2006 While the M8 does not have the physical "Setting Dial" as on the DMR, it should behave in a similar same way in adjusting the actual ISO the white balance through the "Menu" button and consecutive use of the "Setting Ring" and, or "Directions Buttons." Note, the "Setting Dial" and "Setting Ring" are separate physical controls. The LCD could simulate the behaviour of the monochrome control screen and dial of the DMR... this would be a great idea. R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted September 10, 2006 Share #120 Posted September 10, 2006 The 'door' looks very odd don't you think? And why such a large protruding catch? I can imagine that snagging on stuff a lot, and poking into your nose/face! Also it would suggest that it opens downwards...... Fishy, very fishy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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