earleygallery Posted September 8, 2006 Share #41 Posted September 8, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) How did these images leak out, when we all know how very well guarded Leica have been about the M8 in all other respects. Something don't seem right...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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albertwang Posted September 8, 2006 Share #42 Posted September 8, 2006 These images were leaked out to the French website first I believe. Since the French use a different calendar based on the lunar year, I think that they get their information about the M8 about 2-3 weeks earlier than we do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 8, 2006 Share #43 Posted September 8, 2006 Probably because the M8 has already been shown in Paris and in Perpignan :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 8, 2006 Share #44 Posted September 8, 2006 No, no, no. It's because the French are sending some good red wine to Solms. The Germans mostly make white wine. Good cameras, good cars, mostly white wine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted September 8, 2006 Share #45 Posted September 8, 2006 Thing is I'm dreaming of an M8-style camera with 3 primary manual controls: aperture, speed and sensitivity (ISO). J. Einstein said something the effect that things should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler. I just hope they haven't made things too simple and stashed critical functions on the menu. Menus a la Canon are a pain in the ass; you can do anything you want, if you have the time and can remember, with one foot in a creek and the water rising, where the correct menu item is. I have a D2x, and after buying it, also bought Thom Hogan's instructional manual for it, which essentially takes you through the functions and operations. Hogan's guide is 749 pages long; and I'm not joking. Once you get into the menus on the thing, you can easily get lost. I don't think it will work out this way, but it would have been nice if Leica had put about four user-programmable buttons on the back of this baby, along with whatever *they* think is necessary. The top plate worries me: instead of that little round button-shaped screen on the left, which I suspect was made that way to make Leica traditionalists happy, they could have had a thumb-print sized LCD screen which would have used almost no power and which would have provided you with six or eight pieces of information at a glance. For the record, my D2x has a screen on top that I believe would have fit easily on the M8, and it tells you, at a glance, how many shots you've taken and how many remain (you need both because of different sized memory cards); the mode you're in; how much compensation you've dialed in, focal length and shutter speed; and battery life remaining. Those are good things to know; I hope Leica didn't skip them because a little round button LCD would please the purists... I will say that I can't wait; I've preordered, I'm high on a list, and I really *want* this camera. JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted September 8, 2006 Share #46 Posted September 8, 2006 No, no, no. It's because the French are sending some good red wine to Solms. I'm afraid that the term "good French wine" has become an oxymoron these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted September 8, 2006 Share #47 Posted September 8, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) The short answer on how these photos are getting out is: Marketing. Don't put it past them. This is, I believe, a very smart marketing strategy, and it is deliberate, not a leak. JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted September 8, 2006 Share #48 Posted September 8, 2006 Still no ISO button visible yet There is none. It's in the menu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 8, 2006 Share #49 Posted September 8, 2006 ...It's because the French are sending some good red wine to Solms... And the 'centre du monde' is not London but Perpignan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 8, 2006 Share #50 Posted September 8, 2006 There is none. Its in the menu. It does sound like all the functions set via the wheel on the DMR are menu items on the M8. On a D2X, I can set a new ISO with just two actions, press a button, turn a dial. It will be interesting to see how it is on the M8. Worst case: Menu button (pause while the LCD comes on) Down arrow several times to select the ISO option Right arrow to select Down arrow several times to select the new ISO Right arrow to select Menu to select. Ghastly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 8, 2006 Share #51 Posted September 8, 2006 Until I see panel "4" I'm just not even gonna guess at ISO and other setting modes. And even then I'd want to see the instruction book pdf. There may be a trivially simple way to set ISO without hitting the main menus - or it may be as tedious as Mark suggests. The RFF images show a separate "SET" button beside the LCD - so that may be a shortcut to certain operations. The better Vouvrays are still unmatched anywhere else in the world - about the only white wine I like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted September 9, 2006 Share #52 Posted September 9, 2006 Ghastly. On the other hand Mark, we can expect simpler menus, since there wont be all the AF choices, metering pattern choices or all those fascinating scene modes:D One step you left out was the first one: shade LCD from the sun, so that you can see the following steps;) No matter how involved changing the ISO will be, it will beat mid roll film changes Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted September 9, 2006 Share #53 Posted September 9, 2006 Yes Bob, but will it beat that second body for alternative film? Don't get me wrong, I'm as anxious as anyone for this baby to be "right". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted W Posted September 9, 2006 Share #54 Posted September 9, 2006 It does sound like all the functions set via the wheel on the DMR are menu items on the M8. On a D2X, I can set a new ISO with just two actions, press a button, turn a dial. It will be interesting to see how it is on the M8. Worst case: Menu button (pause while the LCD comes on) Down arrow several times to select the ISO option Right arrow to select Down arrow several times to select the new ISO Right arrow to select Menu to select. Ghastly. That's exactly the sequence on my Canon DSLR. It's a mouthful to say, but to actually perform the task takes about five seconds. Or you can look at it this way... here's the worst case when you want to change ISOs on an M6, my camera: 1) Take note of film counter reading 2) Press rewind switch 3) Unfold rewind lever, turn lever until you hear/feel the film leave the take-up spool, then guestimate how much further you have to go, but make sure you don't wind the film back into the canister 4) Remove baseplate 5) Remove canister and store 6) Load new roll with different ISO 7) blah blah blah... Ghastly. My point is twofold: having that function in the menu system is not nearly the end of civilization some are making it out to be, nor is it an example of an ergonomic flaw. Who knows why that decision was made; perhaps it shaved two millimeters off the height of the camera. Perhaps it allowed room for some other function or capability. Because the menu system thing doesn't bother me all that much, I'm willing to defer to Leica, since they seem to know a thing or two about ergonomics. Maybe there are assignable hot keys and we don't know it yet. My second point: Why would I buy a stick shift and then complain about the specific things related to driving a stick shift? I bought a stick shift because it has advantages over an automatic. The converse also applies, of course. I don't know if Mark or anyone here has played with the camera yet, but I spoke to someone who tested the prototype, and he said the camera "has no bugs." He was very pleased with it, said the image quality was superior to the DMR, and finished by saying it was everything you would expect a digital M by Leica to be. Take that FWIW, naturally... but I am excited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted September 9, 2006 Share #55 Posted September 9, 2006 Yes Bob, but will it beat that second body for alternative film? Don't get me wrong, I'm as anxious as anyone for this baby to be "right". Tell me about it Erl, I have pairs of several brands in the collection:o I just went through the DRM instructions again to see if there are any hints. I did find that there are three user profiles (+ the non profiled set), so you could set them up for daylight, shadows, low light & pitch black:D and shoot RAW. This way you get four bodies in one:cool: Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_f Posted September 9, 2006 Share #56 Posted September 9, 2006 Christophe, Merci pour le lien - thanks for the link! The author of the text ("Tesla") mentions that he saw and used the new Leica digital M8 during an exclusive Leica presentation at the Perpignan photo festival (France). He also adds that there is an embargo on all info until Sept 15 at midnight, at which point he promises to reveal all remaining info (a new piece of the puzzle will be revealed every day until the 15). For more detailed info - and TO HEAR THE M8 (!!) - click on Leica M8 numérique, la résurrection ? - Blog Lightmediation and click on on the "play" button of the little movie file at the end of the text (image was volontarily pixelized to hide camera ...). The author claims "the same feeling as an M7 and almost as quiet as an M7". BTW, I would recommend keeping an eye on the Chasseur d'Images website (http://www.photim.com). They have traditionally refused to go along with embargos. My guess is that they might publish some new info early next week. Cheers, John F. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 9, 2006 Share #57 Posted September 9, 2006 The better Vouvrays are still unmatched anywhere else in the world - about the only white wine I like. Ever tried a good Chateau Yquem, and some excellent "Foie gras" to eat with ? 1990 is a good year still easy to find and not outrageously expensive if you want to taste it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 9, 2006 Share #58 Posted September 9, 2006 In March, I found a wine store in Milan selling mixed half-cases (6 bottles) of Chateau d'Yquem. Price? About 4 M8s... If they have crammed a remaining frame counter and battery state indicator into that tiny LCD display, that's good news but I agree with jrc that a bigger display and easy access to the most frequently used functions would be good. I'm driving past Solms later today (Saturday) on my way to Leipzig, so I might just take a look to see if anyone is working. German weekends are traditionally sacrosanct but it will be interesting to see if there's any sign of pre-announcement activity. They might even be building the things! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 9, 2006 Share #59 Posted September 9, 2006 ...On a D2X, I can set a new ISO with just two actions, press a button, turn a dial... Same on the D70, and the R-D1 needs only one instinctive action (pic). The Epson is hardly beatable i guess but it would be simply unforgivable if the M8 were more complicated than a 2 yo $1,000 camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted September 9, 2006 Share #60 Posted September 9, 2006 LCT's picture makes it look as if the R-D1 has some kind of physical contact for the ISO. I'm not familiar with the camera, but the picture makes it look as if it could be a variable resistor or a contact moving over other contacts, and exposed to dust and moisture. I'm for simplicity of use as well, but not at the cost of robustness. I understand that water-sealing the M8 was of major priority for Leica, so maybe ISO is at the top level of a quickie menu. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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