Guest Ron (Netherlands) Posted March 14, 2010 Share #61 Posted March 14, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jaap, this isn't completely exact... Summaron 35 3,5 had a complex story... a) The VERY FRIST version of 1954 (the 1.179.xxx quoted by Erik, so as my depicted 1.180.xxx) where indeed for M3, but intended for use with the SBLOO shoe VF; these items bring up the 50mm frame on M8, M3-2-4 (and I think MP too) Then (1956) the goggled version appeared (I have a 1.555.xxx); in the first version of this, goggles where removable : brings up 50mm frame on M3-2-4 etc... c) Then again (1958 - M2 introduction) a version for M2 appeared: no goggles, brings up the 35mm frame on M2-M4... M8 too (and I haven't it... maybe someday, when haven't more to think of equipping my M8...) Agree that filing the bayonet lug is a pity... better to set manually the frame when one likes to use this pleasant oldstyle lens Great and much appreciated info! Can someone give an estimation about the ranges of serialnumbers for these different types of 3.5 summarons? I myself have the LTM version in old style barrel but also in near mint condition. Is the lens construction of that type the same as the later versions in LTM and M mount in modern barrel? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted March 14, 2010 Share #62 Posted March 14, 2010 (edited) It's difficult to determine the s/n of the various kinds, for different versions were manufactured in the same years (the goggled version was made together with both the ungoggled versions); the Puts' figures on lens batches aren't of help, for, probably, a certain batch can include both types of mount, being the same the glass assembly... the ungoggled M3 version probably ended in 1957 (before M2)... Laney declares only 360 ungoggled items in 1957, and 1940 in 1958... a ramp-up that can be explained by M2 intro. 1959 saw a definitive decline due to f 2,8 version's introduction... last f 3,5 batch, according to Puts, ought to be 1690501-1690800 in 1959... Laney writes of 35 (M2) and 60 (M3) items built in 1960, which would be consistent with Sartorius' statement that Summaron 3,5 ended "around 1.720.000". The glass assembly of LTM and BM version is the same, even if, probably, later lenses (even if in SM - they too went on until 1959-60) were made with a new coating process. Edited March 14, 2010 by luigi bertolotti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron (Netherlands) Posted March 14, 2010 Share #63 Posted March 14, 2010 It's difficult to determine the s/n of the various kinds, for different versions were manufactured in the same years (the goggled version was made together with both the ungoggled versions); the Puts' figures on lens batches aren't of help, for, probably, a certain batch can include both types of mount, being the same the glass assembly... the ungoggled M3 version probably ended in 1957 (before M2)... Laney declares only 360 ungoggled items in 1957, and 1940 in 1958... a ramp-up that can be explained by M2 intro. 1959 saw a definitive decline due to f 2,8 version's introduction... last f 3,5 batch, according to Puts, ought to be 1690501-1690800 in 1959... Laney writes of 35 (M2) and 60 (M3) items built in 1960, which would be consistent with Sartorius' statement that Summaron 3,5 ended "around 1.720.000". The glass assembly of LTM and BM version is the same, even if, probably, later lenses (even if in SM - they too went on until 1959-60) were made with a new coating process. Thank you, Here is a picture of the version I was referring to - it is a very tiny lens: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 15, 2010 Share #64 Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) Thanks for the pic ! It is surely one of the last in A36 mount, I think... and, once more, it helped me to evidence ANOTHER small variant of this lens... : look at this one, older than yours (and than mine, which is 750.961): Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! (Image caught from Summilux.net) Small but noticeable detail... the serial number is engraved upside-down in respect to yours... ... if one likes to put ensemble a collection of Summarons 35 3,5 ALL DIFFERENT in something (apart the s/n, of course) ...I think almost a dozen of items are necessary to say it's COMPLETE... Edited March 15, 2010 by luigi bertolotti Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! (Image caught from Summilux.net) Small but noticeable detail... the serial number is engraved upside-down in respect to yours... ... if one likes to put ensemble a collection of Summarons 35 3,5 ALL DIFFERENT in something (apart the s/n, of course) ...I think almost a dozen of items are necessary to say it's COMPLETE... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/44776-summaron-m-35mm-f35-for-m2/?do=findComment&comment=1260050'>More sharing options...
Guest Ron (Netherlands) Posted March 15, 2010 Share #65 Posted March 15, 2010 Thanks for the pic ! It is surely one of the last in A36 mount, I think... and, once more, it helped me to evidence ANOTHER small variant of this lens... : look at this one, older than yours (and than mine, which is 750.961):[ATTACH]192893[/ATTACH] (Image caught from Summilux.net) Small but noticeable detail... the serial number is engraved upside-down in respect to yours... ... if one likes to put ensemble a collection of Summarons 35 3,5 ALL DIFFERENT in something (apart the s/n, of course) ...I think almost a dozen of items are necessary to say it's COMPLETE... Thank you Luigi, indeed quite remarkable! I wonder whether also the coatings may have changed during the production years. Well we probably know if we acquire more of these lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdemas Posted June 23, 2011 Share #66 Posted June 23, 2011 I happened to run across this thread today and I thought I'd share a quick story. I sold my Hektor 28/6.3 yesterday and was having a little sellers remorse. Such a beautiful little lens, really unique. As I was going through my photo closet I went looking for my deceased father's Weston meter to see if it still worked. When I opened the leather pouch there was a bakelite case in it as well with.... A Summaron 35/3.5 in LTM. I totally forgot about this little fella and it's been sitting for 15 years all by itself. I need to clean it up, excuse the dust, but I had to take a picture of it (iphone, quick snap). Anyway, I feel like my sellers remorse vanished and I not have a lens that has a great deal of sentimental value. Heck, I even picked up a few stops in the process ;-) Kent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 24, 2011 Share #67 Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Hey Kent, good you revitalized an old thread... ... but now YOUR Summaron goes under scrutiny... : 1) The distances' scale...am I wrong for a light effect or really it is with RED numbers ? 2) And... is it in meters or feet ? (I'd say meters... but not 100% sure) And... if you feel guilty to have sold the Hektor 2,8 cm... the best way to put a remedy is to search for a Summaron 2,8cm f 5,6... almost as compact, even nicer, and a lot more usable... (problem : its hood can cost as the lens alone) Edited June 24, 2011 by luigi bertolotti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrisRose Posted August 3, 2011 Share #68 Posted August 3, 2011 A very interesting thread indeed! My 3.5 is from 1955 and came with the 1959 M2 that i was given. It engages the 35mm framelines - before i read this thread, i didn't even think twice about that, but now i've had a very close look, there is visible alteration to the bayonet where it's been filed. This is obviously an M3 version then. I know the previous owner didn't make the changes, but they didn't buy the combo new. Here is it mounted on my CL 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannh Posted March 8, 2015 Share #69 Posted March 8, 2015 Anyone able to confirm which version this is? A neighbor recently passed away who I had no idea was into Leica. Mostly R stuff, but this lens was among his gear. The lens is an F3.5 Summaron, bayonet mount. Serial Number is 1308750 which looks like a 1955 model according to the wiki. It doesn't look like any of the others pictured in this thread. Might it ever had been paired with goggles? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted March 8, 2015 Share #70 Posted March 8, 2015 Looks like my ltm version, its got a screw to bayonet adapter on the back and what looks like a filter holder with no glass on the front. Gerry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannh Posted March 8, 2015 Share #71 Posted March 8, 2015 Gerry I think you're right. The filter holder threw me off. I think he was using it to "step up" to the more common cap size. I thought it might be the LTM version but without the expertise, didn't want to unscrew anything to find out. I appreciate the help! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HensleyC Posted July 27, 2023 Share #72 Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) On 2/5/2010 at 4:18 PM, hookonclassic said: Hmm...interesting findings, didn't know variation of 35mm Summaron until coming across this thread. I think this is the original M2 mount version discussed earlier...the DOF scale is tapered...there is a "2" marking on the M mount recessed catch, no idea on this marking...from the serial no....year 1958...amazing condition for a over 50yrs old lens ... http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2802/4331939798_72e02cb5f3.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2774/4331201417_ee15573a87.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4331939322_5c2a5e8ddc.jpg A beautiful little chrome classic... Hi! I just purchased a Summaron 3.5 that I believe to be the true M2 version. Mine has a protruding red dot though. Is that supposed to be there? The lens in the pictures posted by hookonclassic has a recessed red dot?? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited July 27, 2023 by HensleyC Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/44776-summaron-m-35mm-f35-for-m2/?do=findComment&comment=4822852'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 27, 2023 Share #73 Posted July 27, 2023 Your dot is correct and this is the goggle-less version for the M2. The OP has an LTM version with the mount adapter attached Those adapters have a recessed red paint dot. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HensleyC Posted July 27, 2023 Share #74 Posted July 27, 2023 1 hour ago, jaapv said: Your dot is correct and this is the goggle-less version for the M2. The OP has an LTM version with the mount adapter attached Those adapters have a recessed red paint dot. Thank you! Happy to know that I found a nice copy of the M2. 😊 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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