wlaidlaw Posted January 28, 2008 Share #21 Posted January 28, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Tim, I have also found that C1 both 3.7.7 and 4 make poor JPEG's but damn good 16 bit TIFF's. PS CS3 does a much better job of the 16 to 8 bit mode change and the compression to JPEG is far better handled as others have commented. Having seen your images makes me feel lazy as I too should have been down there taking some pics, giving my new chrome 35 lux some exercise. Moiré is something we have to live with due to the absence of an anti-aliasing filter on the M8. M8 JPEG's can be horror stories with it and colour fringing, which I assume is an allied phenomenon. I have found C1-4 plus the x-Raster filter in CS3 to be a reasonable answer. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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charlesphoto99 Posted January 28, 2008 Share #22 Posted January 28, 2008 Please excuse my US ignorance but where, what and why is this? Quite surreal..... Tim, I love the shot of the tractor on the stack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted January 28, 2008 Author Share #23 Posted January 28, 2008 Wilson, William, Jamie and Sergio! Thanks for all advice and processing tips. I know that this is due to the lack of AA filter and am very happy to live with the compromise(s), especially given the fact that the downside rears its head rarely and the upside is visible in every frame I shoot! I was particularly curious, in my original post, to garner opinions as to why the effect has occurred in this one particular shot. I often shoot images with lots of pillars and posts and striped and lines so I assume that there's a particular relationship between pixel pitch and stripe size that triggers the effect so clearly. But I do appreciate the PP tips for it: having come across it so rarely, dealing with it is not one of my strong strokes! All the best and Thanks Again! Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted January 28, 2008 Author Share #24 Posted January 28, 2008 Please excuse my US ignorance but where, what and why is this? Quite surreal..... Tim, I love the shot of the tractor on the stack. Thanks Charles, The shots are taken at Worthing on the south coast of England. A container ship loaded with timber sank a hundred or so miles away last week, and the timber ended up being washed ashore here by a strong high tide. You can see from the pile with the tractor on it just how much there is - but it goes on for at least a mile, probably two. Here's another one, which I especially like since it takes the form of a wrecked ship, echoing its origin in a ship wreck. Very postmodern! Best Tim Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/43873-unreal-city/?do=findComment&comment=465142'>More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted January 28, 2008 Share #25 Posted January 28, 2008 Alright, it's a town not a city but I'm a sucker for The Wasteland.Notes: I have seen these two effects before with the M8. The first I like, the second is cruddy. Effect 1) Weird, surreal, flat colour effect on surfaces, almost posterised but without the clear zone edge transitions. Looks like a mildly naive-school paint effect. After 14 months with this rather marvellous camera, it continues to surprise! Tim [ATTACH]71824[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]71825[/ATTACH] Tim I've noticed this painterly effect myself. You are the first person i've read who has comment on this. What is this? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/43873-unreal-city/?do=findComment&comment=465144'>More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 28, 2008 Share #26 Posted January 28, 2008 Cool stuff. Wish I could be there. Here's a pic I took recently Mexico. Same sort of effect. This is exported out of LR but the effect is the same in C1 maybe just a bit less but not by much. Some things the M8 just doesn't handle so well. Zeiss 18mm btw. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/43873-unreal-city/?do=findComment&comment=465163'>More sharing options...
thompsonkirk Posted January 28, 2008 Share #27 Posted January 28, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Welcome to Unreal City - a great place to live & take pictures? I suppose the effect derives from ACR/Lightroom RAW conversion, & I've been using it by choice. It does look a bit painterly; perhaps 'naive,' as Tim said, but to my eyes more like de Chirico in a Euro context, or Hopper in an American one. Instead of fixing them, I've been trying to collect a portfolio of such images. Kirk PS to Tim: Dellightful backhoe shot! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/43873-unreal-city/?do=findComment&comment=465168'>More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted January 28, 2008 Share #28 Posted January 28, 2008 Tim I've noticed this painterly effect myself. You are the first person i've read who has comment on this. What is this? Wow. Now that just looks like wayyyy too much noise reduction going on for my money. What processor is that and what are the noise settings set to!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evad1962 Posted January 28, 2008 Share #29 Posted January 28, 2008 Tim I've noticed this painterly effect myself. You are the first person i've read who has comment on this. What is this? Hi Not Tim answering but this 'watercolour' effect looks to me like what you sometimes get when the default noise reduction is left 'on' in C1 3.7.7. Particularly noticable when you enlarge a small part of the image. Try setting noice reduction to zero before processing to a tiff file. You can also make the zero NR level the default setting in 'preferences' if you like the results you're getting. Cheers, Evad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 28, 2008 Share #30 Posted January 28, 2008 Hi Not Tim answering but this 'watercolour' effect looks to me like what you sometimes get when the default noise reduction is left 'on' in C1 3.7.7. Particularly noticable when you enlarge a small part of the image. Try setting noice reduction to zero before processing to a tiff file. You can also make the zero NR level the default setting in 'preferences' if you like the results you're getting. Cheers, Evad I agree. If you need to reduce noise, the Noise Ninja plug in is much better at it than the slightly crude engine in C1. Maybe LR and Aperture are the same. The noise reduction facility in LightZone is excellent, probably better than NN but I could not get on with the rest of the program. Somehow for my fossilized brain, it was just not intuitive, like PS CS3 and Aperture in particular are. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted January 28, 2008 Author Share #31 Posted January 28, 2008 OK, if we're putting together a collection of the 'naive' look, here's one of my earliest! from Barcelona this year. I'd like to be able to create this at will, but only at will! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/43873-unreal-city/?do=findComment&comment=465202'>More sharing options...
delander † Posted January 28, 2008 Share #32 Posted January 28, 2008 Shot of same building in original post but taken with Canon 20D processed in Canon's DPP almost 3 years ago - building has since been re-painted. The maize effect is not confined to the M8. Jeff Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/43873-unreal-city/?do=findComment&comment=465209'>More sharing options...
tashley Posted January 28, 2008 Author Share #33 Posted January 28, 2008 Hi Not Tim answering but this 'watercolour' effect looks to me like what you sometimes get when the default noise reduction is left 'on' in C1 3.7.7. Particularly noticable when you enlarge a small part of the image. Try setting noice reduction to zero before processing to a tiff file. You can also make the zero NR level the default setting in 'preferences' if you like the results you're getting. Cheers, Evad Trust me, when this effect strikes, it strikes. I have taken he barcelona image above and developed it in LR and C1 with no noise reduction and no sharpening, exported to 16bit TIFF and the effect is still clearly visible. I am very familiar with this over the past year: it just happens sometimes and it can't be PP'd out because it relates fundamentally to a lack of data in the DNG. I am somewhat sure of this! Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted January 28, 2008 Author Share #34 Posted January 28, 2008 Shot of same building in original post but taken with Canon 20D processed in Canon's DPP almost 3 years ago - building has since been re-painted. The maize effect is not confined to the M8. Jeff Thank you Jeff! That is double or triple spooky: those railings are jinxed and the naive flat colour syndrome seems to emanate more from Worthing seafront than anywhere else on earth. Odd, odd, odd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted January 29, 2008 Share #35 Posted January 29, 2008 Wow. Now that just looks like wayyyy too much noise reduction going on for my money. What processor is that and what are the noise settings set to!? C1 and default. It was about a 200% crop. I'll try turning off the noise reduction and reprocessing. Get back to you. Thanks Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted January 29, 2008 Share #36 Posted January 29, 2008 ... duplicate the layer.... Gausian Blur.... blending mode... to Color.... adjustment layer... paint.. to remove the moire..... William - Nice one. That's been copied into my little black book. Tim - You don't seem to have been visiting for a while. Welcome back. I like the B&W shots. .................. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted January 29, 2008 Share #37 Posted January 29, 2008 ... Here's the best I could do, which was with C1 at bespoke rather than default settings: I simply banged the colour noise suppression up to 100% - nothing else had much impact. I also gave it less compression. As byword, giving the file 100% colour noise reduction in LR was less effective. [ATTACH]71872[/ATTACH]... Maybe off-topic, since this hasn't to do with the railings or featureless colors: Take a look at the sky above the roofs of the buildings just to right of center of the 4th image in this post (partially separated by TV antennas). Looks as if some of the tweaks pushed some fuzzy red color up into the blue??? --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted January 29, 2008 Share #38 Posted January 29, 2008 Yes Howard, I noticed that too. For the sheer hell of it I processed the following image in Aperture, C1Pro, C1v4 and Lightroom and didn't notice this effect. It could be Tim's bespoke process causing it. The order is Aperture (original image) Crops are Aperture, C1Pro, C1v4 and Lightroom. Make your own mind up, each package has it's strengths and weaknesses. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/43873-unreal-city/?do=findComment&comment=465887'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 29, 2008 Share #39 Posted January 29, 2008 Eoin, Very interesting. C1V4 is very sharp. If you used a Biogon 35 at f4, you would be able to cut your fingers on the edges. Is this due to sharpening? What setting did you use on C1V4? Contrast seems noticeably lower on LR and there looks to be quite a bit of colour fringing on the far crane on Aperture. If I can ever get the hang of all the ins and outs of C1V4, I think it is a very good tool. The pro version is going to have to be epic to justify the money it will cost. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted January 29, 2008 Share #40 Posted January 29, 2008 Eoin, Very interesting. C1V4 is very sharp. If you used a Biogon 35 at f4, you would be able to cut your fingers on the edges. Is this due to sharpening? What setting did you use on C1V4? Contrast seems noticeably lower on LR and there looks to be quite a bit of colour fringing on the far crane on Aperture. If I can ever get the hang of all the ins and outs of C1V4, I think it is a very good tool. The pro version is going to have to be epic to justify the money it will cost. Wilson Well, as someone who bought a 5 major version upgrade of C1 Pro back at version 3, I hope it won't cost me anything to go to V4 Pro. I also don't think they will price themselves out of the market. But if they handle colour correction better and add back the things that are currently left out of C1 V4 (multiple outputs and so on), then they'll be able to charge a fair amount, especially if it's plugin upgradeable (as has been rumoured) and does more in terms of lens correction too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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