Leica M EV1: The first M with EVF instead of Rangefinder

[BWColor]

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7 minutes ago, costa43 said:

I think Leica got the pricing wrong on this and went in too hard. They could have tapped into a younger market if it was priced a fair bit lower. Even if it came with an SL2-S sensor for instance. It's here now and I hope it sells well so the line continues but 8 grand is a tough sell imo.

Luckily, some young people are going for a Leica with an optical viewfinder/rangefinder and interchangeable sensors.

[SrMi]

1 minute ago, BWColor said:

Luckily, some young people are going for a Leica with an optical viewfinder/rangefinder and interchangeable sensors.

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[costa43]

2 minutes ago, BWColor said:

Luckily, some young people are going for a Leica with an optical viewfinder/rangefinder and interchangeable sensors.

I assume you mean interchangeable lenses. I hope so! More sales equals more new products for us! 

Edited Thursday at 02:18 PM by costa43

[evikne]

3 minutes ago, costa43 said:

I assume you mean interchangeable lenses. I hope so! More sales equals more new products for us! 

But I would love an interchangeable sensor. 😄

[lincoln_m]

In Jono's review he addresses the focusing differences/speed of Rangerfinder v EVF and confirms my concerns after my use of SONY A7 and Leica SLs with M adapters.

"In fact, the focusing is always faster with the rangefinder, this is especially the case with wide angle lenses with a big depth of field, where it can be really hard to see where the optimal point of focus is with the EVF, but it’s also true of standard lenses, again, especially if you stop down a bit."

My experience with Focus Aid zoom is that I need to; set the aperture to wide open, click the zoom button, manual focus, click to zoom back out, then if I remember set the aperture to what I really want, then half-press the shutter to get the correct exposure and recompose the image. Finally fire the shutter.

Yes the EVF/ Focus zoom is more accurate but slower if you need that decisive moment image capture. The Focus peaking colour highlights based on contrast seems to light everything up on a sunny day and so I don't rely on that. 

But being ~400g lighter than an SL3 with M-adapter is perhaps useful although a costly option at £8K.

[DadDadDaddyo]

Hello, M-EV1!

Welcome to the circus!

[OfeyKalakar]

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7 minutes ago, SrMi said:

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he meant young's are shooting film

[sblitz]

Are framelines in the view like a rangefinder, otherwise it is an SL3 in an M body -- which is not the same as a rangefinder -- seeing what is and is not in the frame and adjusting, accordingly.

[costa43]

1 minute ago, evikne said:

But I would love an interchangeable sensor. 😄

It would be very cool but It's just one more decision we have to make though! I find it hard enough deciding what lens to take out for the day, if I had a draw full of sensors I would melt😂 

[Ne314satel]

It'll definitely be a commercial failure. I can still focus on the screen with the M11, but without a rangefinder, it'll just be an outdated 30-year-old (or even 50-year-old) thing—no autofocus, no Ibis, etc. This camera was definitely made by designers, not photographers.

Edited Thursday at 02:28 PM by Ne314satel

[lincoln_m]

8 minutes ago, BWColor said:

Luckily, some young people are going for a Leica with an optical viewfinder/rangefinder and interchangeable sensors.

Yes Film is an interchangeable sensor! like Kodak Portra 400, TMAX100 or even Fujichrome. Can anyone actually buy Provia or Velvia (interchangeable sensors) anymore?

 

[Kickstand]

So - just to clarify - we get a Leica M11-P with no rangefinder, no ISO dial, probable worse battery life, no silver chrome or black paint variant, 64GB rather than 256GB of internal storage that will be slower to focus stopped down and in dark environments, for almost the same cost brand new but none of the uniqueness of the classic M rangefinder or bundled with the excellent Summilux/Summicron lenses or weather sealing of the Q series.

Is the experience of using a Visoflex 2 on an M11 really that bad or am I missing something here?

 

[Smudgerer]

9 minutes ago, costa43 said:

I assume you mean interchangeable lenses. I hope so! More sales equals more new products for us! 

I took that as referring to a analogue M, "interchangeable sensors" being different films......works for me.

[FrozenInTime]

Any photos of the mount without a cap ? Is the RF cam follower there, as a focus assist trigger or lens distance input ?

[BWColor]

It has been suggested that this offering is overpriced.  Well, that is certainly a criticism that Leica has never taken to heart.  It has also been suggested that this offering must not compete with the SL series.  I think that Leica will have accomplished this, especially with the introduction of the SL-4.  Regarding pricing, remember that Leica continues to sell new film cameras.  People still purchase them.. I did.  So, the marketing department priced this camera where they thought it belonged.  It isn’t an entry level camera.  That Leica distinction still rests with the used market as has been the case for decades.

[OfeyKalakar]

4 minutes ago, Kickstand said:

So - just to clarify - we get a Leica M11-P with no rangefinder, no ISO dial, probable worse battery life, no silver chrome or black paint variant, 64GB rather than 256GB of internal storage that will be slower to focus stopped down and in dark environments, for almost the same cost brand new but none of the uniqueness of the classic M rangefinder or bundled with the excellent Summilux/Summicron lenses or weather sealing of the Q series.

Is the experience of using a Visoflex 2 on an M11 really that bad or am I missing something here?

 

Yes, the camera housing top and bottom will probably be made out of aluminum and plastic. Not Brass and will not last.

[colonel]

This is a nice toy, and I love that Leica is trying new things. Personally I would stick to having an OVF. One contributory factor is the price. I expected the EVF version to be cheaper then it is. At that level I would prefer to pay another £1000 or so and have the OVF. I guess like the difference between the X100VI and X-E5.

[hroark]

So we got an SL3 in rangefinder form.  Minus IBIS.  Kinda minus dual cards.  Minus L-mount support.  Minus Autofocus.  Minus video support.  Minus a tilt screen.  In return, we get a smaller, lighter camera than an SL3.

Edited Thursday at 02:46 PM by hroark
add Autofocus

[pgh]

1 hour ago, LUF Admin said:

but on the other hand, it places high demands on the photographer.

lol.

No, a large format camera places high demands on the photographer.

A rangefinder places a minimal level of demand, or let's call it attention/engagement on the photographer. That's why it is enjoyable.

But for those who want to watch life through yet another tiny television screen that strains the eyes, I'm happy they have something.

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[mujk]

12 minutes ago, FrozenInTime said:

Any photos of the mount without a cap ? Is the RF cam follower there, as a focus assist trigger or lens distance input ?

I have not seen any photos, but the drawings available, e.g. in the manual, suggest something different from a mechanical roller in the upper part of the mount. I would guess an optical/IR sensor used for triggering focus assist.