Leica M EV1: The first M with EVF instead of Rangefinder

[algrove]

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9 hours ago, CDodkin said:

This is a sweeping generalization - for myself, the M EV1 is exactly what I expected it to be.

Actually I'll retract some of my initial statement - The M EV1 is not exactly what I expected - It's lighter than I expected, and cheaper than I expected - so +2 points to Leica.

"cheaper than expected"?  At  what price point did you think it would come in at?

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[CDodkin]

1 hour ago, algrove said:

"cheaper than expected"?  At  what price point did you think it would come in at?

$10k

[algrove]

34 minutes ago, CDodkin said:

$10k

Well you've much more money than I've got and I own 4xM11 , 2xSL3 and 2xQ3, and 2xM6 etc.

[JNK100]

1 hour ago, CDodkin said:

$10k

 

1 hour ago, CDodkin said:

$10k

So the same price for an EVF as for a hand -assembled RF mechanism?

[lct]

3 hours ago, algrove said:

"cheaper than expected"?  At  what price point did you think it would come in at?

Some of us expected a price similar to that of the M11 at its launch (EUR 8,350). Three years later, i bought the MEV1 for EUR 7,950. Makes for a reduction of around 5%. Honest in my book.

[algrove]

Good point and as it should be--lower than the intro price of the M11 3 years ago. As some say, electronics gets cheaper by the year.

For some reason I imagined you were in the US. Guess not. Or were you trying to keep exchange rates out of the discussion?

Edited November 5 by algrove

[lct]

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3 hours ago, algrove said:

For some reason I imagined you were in the US. Guess not. Or were you trying to keep exchange rates out of the discussion?

I speak euros since French francs don't exist anymore

[CDodkin]

5 hours ago, JNK100 said:

 

So the same price for an EVF as for a hand -assembled RF mechanism?

Actually $10k would have been more than my M11 - but actually it's turned out to have cost less than my M11, let alone my M11 + VisoFlex II EVF

[CDodkin]

6 hours ago, algrove said:

Well you've much more money than I've got and I own 4xM11 , 2xSL3 and 2xQ3, and 2xM6 etc.

Strange conclusion which makes little/no sense

[JNK100]

11 hours ago, CDodkin said:

Actually $10k would have been more than my M11 - but actually it's turned out to have cost less than my M11, let alone my M11 + VisoFlex II EVF

In the UK, rhe EV1 is just over £1k less than the 11p which makes sense as the RF mechanism is costly I understand.

[algrove]

15 hours ago, CDodkin said:

Strange conclusion which makes little/no sense

Not at all for me. Why loose the RF if I want it in an M until an M EVF is perfected with more modern focus aids for me.

Edited November 6 by algrove

[Alexander108]

I would buy the EV1 if the price was roughly that of the Q3. Same Sensor, less capable processor, same EVF, no lens, though. I believe the EV1 is way overpriced. 

Edited November 6 by Alexander108
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[JNK100]

26 minutes ago, Alexander108 said:

I would buy the EV1 if the price was roughly that of the Q3. Same Sensor, less capable processor, same EVF, no lens, though. I believe the EV1 is way overpriced. 

I read that the RF mechanism cost is around £1100 GBP.

The cost of the EVF would be maybe £400 (?). The M11 std. most recent price was £7800 so the EVF1 price seems reasonable (compared to the M11!) and logical to me.

[algrove]

16 hours ago, lct said:

I speak euros since French francs don't exist anymore

I was living in France when the FF hit a bit over 10/$US1.

[algrove]

I must admit if I ever have an extra $9k laying about I might try it, but for now my Viso2 a top is just fine.

[CDodkin]

47 minutes ago, algrove said:

Not at all for me. Why loose the RF if I want it in an M until an M EVF is perfected with more modern focus aids for me.

It literally is a more modern focus aid than a Rangefinder

[algrove]

10 minutes ago, CDodkin said:

It literally is a more modern focus aid than a Rangefinder

Agree since I do not view a RF as a focus aid, but a way of using a tool.

[charlesphoto99]

17 minutes ago, CDodkin said:

It literally is a more modern focus aid than a Rangefinder

Sometimes modern isn't better. No need to reinvent the hammer. What @algrove and many others, myself included, wanted was a unique way to mimic the speed and accuracy (ok, speed mostly) of the rangefinder with an EVF. I'm glad though that people are liking the camera and find it useful for their needs. Perhaps in ten years or so I'll pick up a lightly used MEV2/3. Hopefully my M10-R/M10-M will still be kicking by then, as they should be (why we spend $9k on a body). 

Thing is, the rangefinder can never be outdated - it just does what it does, give or take it. Same can be said of shutter and lens (and the sensor is about as mature as it needs to get imo)   The EVF in the M was already dated well before release. That's one problem with new, changing technology - there's always going to be better next month or year. 

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[lct]

34 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

[...] the rangefinder can never be outdated - it just does what it does, give or take it [...]

Rangefinders can be updated by increasing their effective base length, especially physical base length and magnification. The physical base length of Leica M cameras did not improve in half a century more or less. 69.25mm in the M6 vs 69.31mm in the M11 IINW.  As a comparison, the physical base length of the Zeiss Ikon was something like 75mm if i remember well.

Edited November 6 by lct

[charlesphoto99]

11 minutes ago, lct said:

Rangefinders can be updated by increasing their effective base length, especially physical base length and magnification. The physical base length of Leica M cameras did not improve in half a century more or less. 69.25mm in the M6 vs 69.31mm in the M11 IINW.  As a comparison, the physical base length of the Zeiss Ikon was something like 75mm if i remember well.

Pedantic. I was referring to the concept of the rangefinder. Ever shot a Mamiya 6/7 or Fuji 6X9? I have, and they offer bigger better brighter viewfinder's than either the M or ZM. But they work exactly the same as the Olympus XA on the opposite end with its teeny tiny rf.