Jeff S Posted June 6 Share #181 Posted June 6 Advertisement (gone after registration) 19 minutes ago, Carlos cruz said: I really think we should focus on important stuff- what do you think about dreaded brightness sensor There are threads on the topic… And yes, some of us print. An early generation phone camera can yield a billboard sized image for suitable viewing, if the observer is far enough away. MP hasn’t been a limiting factor for most people for a long time, but needs and preferences vary, and the forum would be a lot lonelier place without wish lists followed by complaint lists. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marchyman Posted June 6 Share #182 Posted June 6 8 hours ago, SrMi said: I do not see how IBIS can be in photographer's way. It is similar to adding a faster processor that helps the camera start up faster. Is IBIS like OIS with respect to tripod use? Canon says to turn OIS off when the lens/camera is on a tripod because it gets in the way. If it is the same for IBIS is there a way to turn it off? You can probably guess I don't own a camera with IBIS and know very little about how it works. I found OIS useful with my DSLR and longer lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos cruz Posted June 6 Share #183 Posted June 6 21 minutes ago, Corius said: I guess you don't crop any of your photos? We don't all use cameras in the same way. I do but within reason. I am always trying to find best position for camera and pick best focal length for image i have in mind. Maybe it’s a generational thing or me bringing work home, but when shooting I am trying to use my camera’s sensor in most efficient way, after all I’ve paid some nonsensical sum for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted June 6 Share #184 Posted June 6 1 hour ago, marchyman said: Is IBIS like OIS with respect to tripod use? Canon says to turn OIS off when the lens/camera is on a tripod because it gets in the way. If it is the same for IBIS is there a way to turn it off? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted June 6 Share #185 Posted June 6 4 hours ago, Carlos cruz said: I can, sometimes on purpose you want to add camera shake, panning/following moving target, ibis will fight against your intentional movement making total mess. Sometimes you want to take long exposures with flash to freeze the moment. Leica will probably give in at some point, but I believe that for now there’s not enough space inside between sensor, lens mount and rear screen. That would mean we’re back to m240 fat leica dimensions or m12d could be the first with ibis. Per Leica, a thicker body is not an option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted June 6 Share #186 Posted June 6 2 hours ago, Carlos cruz said: I really think we should focus on important stuff- what do you think about dreaded brightness sensor Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Lowkey the thing I hate most about digital Leicas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos cruz Posted June 6 Share #187 Posted June 6 Advertisement (gone after registration) 17 minutes ago, raizans said: Lowkey the thing I hate most about digital Leicas. If I was exposed to the front of camera more often, I’d start a petition to hide this abomination, for now it’s an absolute violation of aesthetics and heritage of bauhaus. We have the right to know the names of people responsible, witness their public self criticisms and execution of just punishment (gulag or tar and feather seem appropriate) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris7273 Posted June 6 Share #188 Posted June 6 1 hour ago, SrMi said: Per Leica, a thicker body is not an option. Even if it means a thicker wallet ? 🙂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Maclean Posted June 6 Share #189 Posted June 6 5 hours ago, marchyman said: Is IBIS like OIS with respect to tripod use? Canon says to turn OIS off when the lens/camera is on a tripod because it gets in the way. If it is the same for IBIS is there a way to turn it off? You can probably guess I don't own a camera with IBIS and know very little about how it works. I found OIS useful with my DSLR and longer lenses. Yes and yes. But most modern cameras are better at not adding movement to tripod shots. THat being said, it can be taken off. I have a profile for tripod shooting where I diasble IBS. Fast and easy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted June 7 Share #190 Posted June 7 It generally has no effect on tripod images at this point, but it is good to turn it off if you are doing long exposures, especially star trails. You might see some slight movement in long exposures. Same goes for tripod mounted video, but that is not an M concern these days. As for printing, no, the M11 does not outresolve printers except at modest to small print sizes. At 300dpi it is a 54x80cm print or roughly 20x30 inches. Most printers true resolution is higher. For example, my studio uses an Epson 9500, which has a resolution of 600dpi, so an M11 with the full image and no cropping with a super high end lens would only outresolve the printer at 10.5X16 inches, or 40x27cm. The older epsons were 360 and 720dpi. These differences are barely visible, and you can certainly print huge from your M11 and have it still look great, but that is the real answer from a printer. How much it matters to you and what you think about viewing distance, the sharpness of the eye (again, something that varies wildly from person to person) and so on is all another matter. But an M11 certainly does not outresolve a high end printer at large print sizes. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted June 7 Share #191 Posted June 7 5 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said: It generally has no effect on tripod images at this point, but it is good to turn it off if you are doing long exposures, especially star trails. You might see some slight movement in long exposures. Same goes for tripod mounted video, but that is not an M concern these days. The IBIS tends to move the sensor slightly during long exposures (recentering), and many have reported that their images degraded. Also, it is hard to frame when shooting with longer lenses, as the sensor tends to move slightly still after I have stopped adjusting the geared head. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted June 8 Share #192 Posted June 8 ^ yep @Carlos cruz. Fwiw my position is my m10 is fine without IBIS, but an m11 isn’t. I’ve already said why. Forget all the “what an M” is comments - only Leica makes that call in the end. It’s definitely first a resolution question, for me. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
odoomi Posted June 8 Share #193 Posted June 8 Nope! High usable ISO and bright lenses - who needs marketing gags? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 8 Share #194 Posted June 8 7 hours ago, pgh said: Forget all the “what an M” is comments - only Leica makes that call in the end. Remember the M5 saga. Not Leica, but the customer base decides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted June 8 Share #195 Posted June 8 6 hours ago, jaapv said: Remember the M5 saga. Not Leica, but the customer base decides. I’m not saying they don’t listen. I’m saying that an M is what Leica ultimately makes into a physical thing. Unless the customer base is in the factory cranking out units or physically coercing workers to change the product this correction feels pedantic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 8 Share #196 Posted June 8 Building cameras is fine, but they still want to sell them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashAndPoof Posted June 10 Share #197 Posted June 10 On 6/3/2025 at 5:29 AM, adan said: Some good pictures here of the Leica SL2 IBIS sensor mounting - not exactly petite: https://www.nofocus.blog/home/leica-sl2-teardown-disassembly-for-full-spectrum-infrared-photography Images generally of IBIS "gear:" https://www.google.com/search?q=camera+IBIS+mechanism&client=safari&sca_esv=cf6290cf059c5086&rls=en&udm=2&biw=1516&bih=1254&ei=Ysc-aJ7eE8il0PEPhLGc2Q8&ved=0ahUKEwiel_Du_tSNAxXIEjQIHYQYJ_sQ4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=camera+IBIS+mechanism&gs_lp=EgNpbWciFWNhbWVyYSBJQklTIG1lY2hhbmlzbUjyWFCfDlj0UnADeACQAQCYAZkBoAHjA6oBAzUuMbgBA8gBAPgBAZgCAKACAJgDAIgGAZIHAKAHjgKyBwC4BwDCBwDIBwA&sclient=img Fascinating stuff! I was curious what sort of improvement in IBIS size a company such as Fujifilm would have been able to come up with as they also need to prioritize small form factors for their wildly popular X100 series line. Look at how much they've reduced the size of their IBIS from the X100V to the X100VI while increasing its ability! Gives me hope that Leica can make one just as compact. I see IBIS for M Cameras like I do ABS for Porsches... they're coming whether they have to take the customers kicking and screaming haha. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tseg Posted June 12 Share #198 Posted June 12 Let’s be honest. If Leica attempts it, it will not be perfect on the first go. Then time to buy stock in Leica forum sites. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted June 12 Share #199 Posted June 12 On 6/10/2025 at 1:53 PM, FlashAndPoof said: I was curious what sort of improvement in IBIS size a company such as Fujifilm would have been able to come up with as they also need to prioritize small form factors for their wildly popular X100 series line. Look at how much they've reduced the size of their IBIS from the X100V to the X100VI while increasing its ability! Well, it helps that Fuji is using a half-frame sensor (APS-C) and Olympus a one-quarter-frame sensor (Micro 4/3rds). Somehow, I doubt that Leica will go back to a cropped sensor for today's M cameras, just to squeeze in IBIS - it would be so "2006!" 🤪 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted June 12 Share #200 Posted June 12 On 6/10/2025 at 8:53 PM, FlashAndPoof said: Fascinating stuff! I was curious what sort of improvement in IBIS size a company such as Fujifilm would have been able to come up with as they also need to prioritize small form factors for their wildly popular X100 series line. Look at how much they've reduced the size of their IBIS from the X100V to the X100VI while increasing its ability! Gives me hope that Leica can make one just as compact. I see IBIS for M Cameras like I do ABS for Porsches... they're coming whether they have to take the customers kicking and screaming haha. And yet....... Fuji launch the 100RF without ibis..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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