BernardC Posted February 25 Share #101 Posted February 25 Advertisement (gone after registration) 58 minutes ago, pf4eva said: Why trust me? Just watch reviews available Sorry, you sounded like you were talking from first-hand knowledge. Tell me who's your favoured influencer, maybe I'll watch that one, but I have no time to watch the dozens of S1rii videos that were released in the past few hours. The one that I did watch wasn't as negative as yours seems to be. So far it seems like the S1ii is on-par with other 8K-capable cameras for AF, superior for video, and a bit cheaper (based on US prices). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SrMi Posted February 25 Share #102 Posted February 25 16 minutes ago, Smogg said: It's hard for me to answer this question, since sensor resolution is not that important for me. Any resolution of 40+ is fine for me. I really liked the pictures from the SL3, although a little less than from the X2D. It's just that the SL3 was of no use to me, since it essentially duplicated the functions of the X2D for me, although it was bought for something else. I have trouble choosing between SL3 and X2D. X2D has gorgeous high-resolution files, but SL3 is nimbler and lighter. It also has highlight clipping, LPC, a joystick, and a wider range of zooms. SL3's IQ is also stunning. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 25 Share #103 Posted February 25 11 minutes ago, SrMi said: I have trouble choosing between SL3 and X2D. X2D has gorgeous high-resolution files, but SL3 is nimbler and lighter. It also has highlight clipping, LPC, a joystick, and a wider range of zooms. SL3's IQ is also stunning. The more comfortable grip makes it easier for me to hold the X2D and it feels lighter. For me, the X2D+35-75 (2kg) felt equivalent to the SL3+Sigma 24-70 (1.6kg). And if you take into account the successful non-retractable design of the 35-75, the X2D was even preferable. And if you compare the X2D with 38v and 55v with the SL3+APO 35 or APO 50, the Leica will lose significantly in weight and size. Regarding the joystick, I agree, SL has the most comfortable joystick in the world. I can't argue with highlight clipping, Leica obviously displays them better. I never use LPC, Lightroom tools are enough for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 25 Share #104 Posted February 25 21 minutes ago, SrMi said: … and a wider range of zooms. What you are absolutely right about, and I don't take this into account, is the greater choice of zooms. I just don't shoot beyond 28-70 (in FF terms) at all, so I certainly don't have a complete picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted February 25 Share #105 Posted February 25 Medium format cameras have usually a larger color range, which is noticeable when shooting night landscapes, you will see more colors in lights and shadows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted February 25 Author Share #106 Posted February 25 (edited) 48 minutes ago, SrMi said: I have trouble choosing between SL3 and X2D. X2D has gorgeous high-resolution files, but SL3 is nimbler and lighter. It also has highlight clipping, LPC, a joystick, and a wider range of zooms. SL3's IQ is also stunning. Besides S006 and S3, SL3 delivers very, very nice images in most light situations, and it is the favoritt SL-body of mine (having used all versions). My 'hope' with S1Rii (or whatever L-mount body) is to have one body in addition to SL3 that adds focus consistency and speed (fps) when using AFc, preferably with the electronic shutter. S1Rii's fps is fine with me, whereas AFc is less conclusive as I understand it. A readout time of 15-ish ms is ok for my type of action shooting based on one year's use of Canon R5 (now sold). I havn't seen readout speed figures for S1Rii, but I guess it shouldn't be that far from 15 ms. So a remaining question for me is how reliable AFc is for fast, but not ultra fast, moving subjects. Edited February 25 by helged 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 25 Share #107 Posted February 25 Advertisement (gone after registration) 29 minutes ago, Smogg said: The more comfortable grip makes it easier for me to hold the X2D and it feels lighter. For me, the X2D+35-75 (2kg) felt equivalent to the SL3+Sigma 24-70 (1.6kg). And if you take into account the successful non-retractable design of the 35-75, the X2D was even preferable. And if you compare the X2D with 38v and 55v with the SL3+APO 35 or APO 50, the Leica will lose significantly in weight and size. Regarding the joystick, I agree, SL has the most comfortable joystick in the world. I can't argue with highlight clipping, Leica obviously displays them better. I never use LPC, Lightroom tools are enough for me. The 35-75 is not as wide as the 24-70, and the weight difference is considerable. I carry X2D almost exclusively with lightweight primes and avoid 35-75 because it feels too heavy. However, the great, light X primes make a great combo. I would compare the X2D system with SL3 and the excellent, small Sigma DG DN primes (similar lens weight). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 25 Share #108 Posted February 25 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Photoworks said: Medium format cameras have usually a larger color range, which is noticeable when shooting night landscapes, you will see more colors in lights and shadows. Not really. The color range difference is not discernible. Most cropMF people shoot in 14-bits. Edited February 25 by SrMi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted February 25 Share #109 Posted February 25 Just now, SrMi said: Not really. The color range difference is not discernible. 16 bit capture has more colors than 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 25 Share #110 Posted February 25 4 minutes ago, helged said: Besides S006 and S3, SL3 delivers very, very nice images in most light situations, and it is the favoritt SL-body of mine (having used all versions). My 'hope' with S1Rii (or whatever L-mount body) is to have one body in addition to SL3 that adds focus consistency and speed (fps) when using AFc, preferably with the electronic shutter. S1Rii's fps is fine with me, whereas AFc is less conclusive as I understand it. A readout time of 15-ish ms is ok for my type of action shooting based on one year's use of Canon R5 (now sold). I havn't seen readout speed figures for S1Rii, but I guess it shouldn't be that far from 15 ms. So a remaining question for me is how reliable AFc is for fast, but not ultra fast, moving subjects. If you want focus consistency and speed, maybe SL3-S is a better choice, as switching from the elegant SL3 UI to Panasonic UI may hurt . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 25 Share #111 Posted February 25 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Photoworks said: 16 bit capture has more colors than 14 Yes, and 128 bits have even more colors. But the human eye cannot discern the difference between 14- and 16-bit colors. Again, the bit size is about improving DR, not colors. If there were a color difference, every cropMF user would shoot in 16 bits. Edited February 25 by SrMi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 25 Share #112 Posted February 25 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Photoworks said: 16 bit capture has more colors than 14 This is a highly contentious point. Jim Kasson has done his usual meticulous research and found no significant differences. Edited February 25 by Smogg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 25 Share #113 Posted February 25 Just now, Smogg said: This is a highly contentious point. Jim Casson has done his usual meticulous research and found no significant differences. Jim Kasson has investigated the 14 vs. 16 bits mainly from the point of noise. As a reputable color scientist, he knows that 16-bit color advantage is BS. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted February 25 Author Share #114 Posted February 25 Just now, SrMi said: If you want focus consistency and speed, maybe SL3-S is a better choice, as switching from the elegant SL3 UI to Panasonic UI may hurt . Maybe; but initial testing of SL3-S didn't convince me. I can live with the Lumix buttons and UI, although nothing comes close to SL3 and SL3-S in that respect... Summing up: My hope is/was that S1Rii adds more to the table than SL3-S when it comes to continuous AF hit rate... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 25 Share #115 Posted February 25 4 minutes ago, SrMi said: Jim Kasson has investigated the 14 vs. 16 bits mainly from the point of noise. As a reputable color scientist, he knows that 16-bit color advantage is BS. Probably if you add +5EV you can notice the difference. But how many times in your life do you do that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 25 Share #116 Posted February 25 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Smogg said: Probably if you add +5EV you can notice the difference. But how many times in your life do you do that? The differences are still tiny with +5EV: https://blog.kasson.com/gfx-100/visual-comparisons-of-fuji-gfx-100-14-and-16-bit-raw-precision/ Edited February 25 by SrMi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted February 25 Share #117 Posted February 25 vor 2 Stunden schrieb BernardC: Sorry, you sounded like you were talking from first-hand knowledge. Tell me who's your favoured influencer, maybe I'll watch that one, but I have no time to watch the dozens of S1rii videos that were released in the past few hours. The one that I did watch wasn't as negative as yours seems to be. So far it seems like the S1ii is on-par with other 8K-capable cameras for AF, superior for video, and a bit cheaper (based on US prices). How would you compare the SR1II and SL3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf4eva Posted February 25 Share #118 Posted February 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, BernardC said: Sorry, you sounded like you were talking from first-hand knowledge. Tell me who's your favoured influencer, maybe I'll watch that one, but I have no time to watch the dozens of S1rii videos that were released in the past few hours. The one that I did watch wasn't as negative as yours seems to be. So far it seems like the S1ii is on-par with other 8K-capable cameras for AF, superior for video, and a bit cheaper (based on US prices). If you don't want to watch, you can trust my word, if not - go ahead and watch them all. I have no favourite, they all have important bits and pieces of info which will allow you to make conclusions if you've used top cameras from major manufacturers. Edited February 25 by pf4eva Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted February 25 Share #119 Posted February 25 vor 2 Stunden schrieb o2mpx: @Smogg took similar journey as you. Have M10-R, SL2(kept for M lenses), added X2D during migration away from SL lenses, added A7CR and X-H2 for lightweight carry. Not fond of Sony colors but files are more detailed than Fuji but the latter is the lightest carry driven by lighter APS-C lenses. High dynamic range resolution of landscapes when cropped with lightest weight carry is the goal as AF is yours. At crossroads, if the SL3 can get close to the X2D, then can simplify out of Sony and Fuji. How do you find the 60mp SL3 compared to the 100mp X2D, just in terms of resolution(understand colors are different)? Since both are quite sharp at 100% resolution is just 100MP vs 60MP. Count in if you prefer 4:3 or 2:3, meaning if you prefer 4:3 you would have to crop the SL3 image which makes the difference bigger. If you prefer 2:3 you have to crop the x2d so the difference to sl3 is smaller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf4eva Posted February 25 Share #120 Posted February 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, SrMi said: I have trouble choosing between SL3 and X2D. X2D has gorgeous high-resolution files, but SL3 is nimbler and lighter. It also has highlight clipping, LPC, a joystick, and a wider range of zooms. SL3's IQ is also stunning. X2D hands down IMO, but it depends on what you need in terms of AF. Size and weight difference is tiny and will be offset by a lens hood on the lens. AWB and color is amazing out of the box, SL3 is not even close. Ended up selling my SL gear as it is the same size as Hassy. For AF related stuff, I have canon which is much better than SL3 anyway. Edited February 25 by pf4eva 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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