EVF M rumoured

[Stephen.s1]

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3 minutes ago, Homo Faber said:

Why would anybody buy a M when he already has a MEV1?

It's like buying a coffee grinder with a hand crank again after you already had an electric coffee grinder. It doesn't make sense.

 

For the exercise...  Makes perfect sense to me.

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[dem331]

5 minutes ago, Homo Faber said:

Why would anybody buy a M when he already has a MEV1?

It's like buying a coffee grinder with a hand crank again after you already had an electric coffee grinder. It doesn't make sense.

 

I agree.
 

And why would anybody buy an M-EVF unless they already have M lenses? 

To me it is a route out of the M for those who can not live with its limitations. 

[helged]

28 minutes ago, Homo Faber said:

Why would anybody buy a M when he already has a MEV1?

It's like buying a coffee grinder with a hand crank again after you already had an electric coffee grinder. It doesn't make sense.

 

But does Leica make sanse? For (almost) all people I know about, Leica doesn't make sense. Not at all. Too old-ish, too pricy, too niche, too fiddling, too everything. But then, you have those that contribute to this thread - approaching 200 pages now plus quite some that spend their time on other activities then in this forum - where sense is one ting, Leica is something else. (And I like it...).

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[Homo Faber]

vor 2 Minuten schrieb helged:

But does Leica make sanse? For (almost) all people I know about, Leica doesn't make sense. Not at all. Too old-ish, too pricy, too niche, too fiddling, too everything. But then, you have those that contribute to this thread - approaching 200 pages now plus quite some that spend their time on other activities then in this forum - where sense is one ting, Leica is something else.

Well, I think if one is crazy enough to by a Leica M does not necessarily mean that one is that crazy to go back from a M EV1 to a M.

[kiwidad]

Leica rumors reporting is getting kinda comical now! Posting possible reason why an event is happening which the know nothing about other than their “guess”

 

[kiwidad]

5 minutes ago, Homo Faber said:

Well, I think if one is crazy enough to by a Leica M does not necessarily mean that one is that crazy to go back from a M EV1 to a M.

If you already have an M you get the best of both worlds with this thing called a visoflex lol

Leica M is about not changing and it’s got many years to show for it!

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25 minutes ago, dem331 said:

..... why would anybody buy an M-EVF unless they already have M lenses? 

To me it is a route out of the M for those who can not live with its limitations. 

A route to another set of limitations.

1954 the M camera appears. 1965 the R (well original SL) camera appears, in part to deal with the inadequacies of the Visoflex, and because all other makers were producing autofocus SLRs, and Leica was not. 2009 the last R camera. 2025 the M is still going. Late 2025 a manual focus EVF camera is potentially about to appear; it is manual focus but all other makers are producing autofocus EVF cameras, this time including Leica. History repeating itself? Sales potential?

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[Smudgerer]

57 minutes ago, Homo Faber said:

Why would anybody buy a M when he already has a MEV1?

It's like buying a coffee grinder with a hand crank again after you already had an electric coffee grinder. It doesn't make sense.

 

Why are you looking for sense in all of this...........these 179 pages of occasionally bizarre  guesswork?

Analise it, buying a digital RF Leica and forking out nearly 10K of any money for the privilege, when for most usages seen on these pages a 2K whatever will produce perfectly good images most of which thanks to IBIS and AF would likely be in focus, if that's your thing.

Leica's don't make sense, other obsessions on this forum like Porsche cars in a world mostly limited to 110kms /hr make no sense, another obsession, Rolex watches that cannot match a Timex digital watch for long term accuracy and so on and so on.......No sense at all, but here we are.

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added gumpf....

[pgk]

3 minutes ago, Smudgerer said:

Why are you looking for sense in all of this...........these 179 pages of occasionally bizarre  guesswork?

Well I suppose somebody's got to buy it, if its made.

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49 minutes ago, Homo Faber said:

It's like buying a coffee grinder with a hand crank again after you already had an electric coffee grinder. It doesn't make sense.

 

Rather, like having an espresso machine and a teapot and a kettle. Or a 35mm lens and a 50mm lens.

[DreiPunkte]

After reading and following 179 pages, I've come to the conclusion that most people here want and expect something like a Fuji X-Pro with the full-frame "Red Dot" flair.
We'll see what the company delivers.

I'm curious.

[carlosgavina]

When are we supposed to know more about this? Today/tomorrow?

[Homo Faber]

vor 46 Minuten schrieb pop:

Rather, like having an espresso machine and a teapot and a kettle. Or a 35mm lens and a 50mm lens.

Sorry,  but I beg to differ. 35mm lens and 50mm lens or an espresso machine and a teapot each produce a different outcome. A M and an a M EV will - ceteris paribus - produce the same outcome. And there will be probably nothing the M can do better the M EV.

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7 minutes ago, Homo Faber said:

Sorry,  but I beg to differ. 35mm lens and 50mm lens or an espresso machine and a teapot each produce a different outcome. A M and an a M EV will - ceteris paribus - produce the same outcome. And there will be probably nothing the M can do better the M EV.

Oh well. 

It has been said here in this thread over and over again that the Messsucher (the optical rangefinder in combination with the viewfinder as built into the traditional M camera) supports the process of taking a photograph very well in some circumstances, not so well in others. If you have ever used an M camera you should know what I'm talking about. Hence, using an M camera for some jobs and another camera with the same sensor stack and using the same lenses for other jobs can be a rational decision.

There are indeed things the M does better than the M EV; there are - presumably - things the M EV will do better than the M, who knows.

[NightPix]

4 hours ago, rxj said:

Anyways it'll be revealed in 24 hours across most of the world at events.

There are only rumors as to what will be revealed. I’m still waiting for that Monochrom Q3 rumored for earlier this month. When you think about it, an M11 with an EVF sounds like a ridiculous contradiction. Are we being duped?  

[Mike Rawcs]

34 minutes ago, carlosgavina said:

When are we supposed to know more about this? Today/tomorrow?

Only one more sleep - and then we'll know!

[DadDadDaddyo]

1 hour ago, DreiPunkte said:

I've come to the conclusion that most people here want and expect something like a Fuji X-Pro with the full-frame "Red Dot" flair.

Well, yes!

Leaving aside whether I expect it out of the coming announcement, you've just described a camera I would actually stand in line to buy....

[FrozenInTime]

11 minutes ago, pop said:

Oh well. 

It has been said here in this thread over and over again that the Messsucher (the optical rangefinder in combination with the viewfinder as built into the traditional M camera) supports the process of taking a photograph very well in some circumstances, not so well in others. If you have ever used an M camera you should know what I'm talking about. Hence, using an M camera for some jobs and another camera with the same sensor stack and using the same lenses for other jobs can be a rational decision.

There are indeed things the M does better than the M EV; there are - presumably - things the M EV will do better than the M, who knows.

If we get an optical rangefinder window  projected optically on top of a scaled* image from the sensor via a OLED panel and semi-silvered prism, it might be remarkable similar in operation to the all optical camera. If anything a out of focus main image sharpening up when focused to overlay on a always sharp offset rangefinder window projection, would enhance the manual focusing experience. * 28mm would fill the OLED display, just as it does on the M4-M11; 135mm  would be a very much scaled down window; all like masking to show inside the classic frame lines;  35mm and 50mm somewhere between those extremes. The pure EVF full sensor view would be an option just like the visoflex or any other mirrorless camera.

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[lct]

47 minutes ago, Homo Faber said:

[...] And there will be probably nothing the M can do better the M EV.

The M would teach one to shoot with their brain while the MEV would be for vulgar wysiwyg users.

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It’s always a challenge to use an M at the beginning because you look through the rangefinder, and you can see the frame and sometimes when you have a longer focal length you see more than you take with the lens. On the other side, you can’t see how it looks like in terms of focus and defocus, the unsharpness, the background how it will look like. This image, you have to create it in your brain and you will see the result later but when you take the picture, you will not see it. You have to imagine how will the picture look like by choosing the aperture, and focusing and all these things, and this is a big challenge. Today you have digital cameras and so you can directly look the result. In former times, this was more challenging because you had first to take the picture and to develop and then the time frame in between was much more longer. On the other side, once you have learnt it, you will never want to do something different because this training to have the image in your brain helps you to create the images, and you can do it with the M camera.

Source: https://youtu.be/pAq-owv-ScY
 

 

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[Homo Faber]

vor 36 Minuten schrieb pop:

Oh well. 

It has been said here in this thread over and over again that the Messsucher (the optical rangefinder in combination with the viewfinder as built into the traditional M camera) supports the process of taking a photograph very well in some circumstances, not so well in others. If you have ever used an M camera you should know what I'm talking about. Hence, using an M camera for some jobs and another camera with the same sensor stack and using the same lenses for other jobs can be a rational decision.

There are indeed things the M does better than the M EV; there are - presumably - things the M EV will do better than the M, who knows.

Fwiw, If had a M11-P and a M10-R with several different lenses. But anyway, What things do think, can a M do better then  a MEV?