EVF M rumoured

[algrove]

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From what we understand the "traditional" M like the M11 will still be produced and sold so this new M will sell alongside the traditional RF M.

[algrove]

Just happened to realize Leica has called this new whatever a "Milestone". Are they catering to the US market instead of calling it a Kilometerstone?

[Pelu2010]

2 hours ago, evikne said:

That wouldn’t be a problem on an EVF M. But it would look weird, and not what an M is originally designed for.

In the other hand, they could make a SL smaller but with AF and no pentaprisma. 
And it could use SL and M lenses and be small compact …. 

[LBJ2]

12 hours ago, beewee said:

Latest “leaked” photo looks unconvincing. Someone forgot to photoshop out the smaller rangefinder window.

https://leicarumors.com/2025/10/19/is-this-the-first-leaked-picture-of-the-rumored-leica-m-ev1-camera.aspx/

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Keeping in mind a "leaked" photo from a rumor site...

Could be Leica used the existing rangefinder window on the M11 body for what the Q3 43 manual describes as "Self-timer LED / AF assist lamp" 

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8 minutes ago, algrove said:

Are they catering to the US market instead of calling it a Kilometerstone?

It's called a 'Meilenstein' in German. Let's hope it's not going to be a millstone.

[BernardC]

4 hours ago, pgk said:

The vast majority will see an RF, and certainly an EVF-M as quirky products. The future will be interesting no doubt and products which are compromises will face a marketplace which is vastly different from that of the past.

I've heard that argument since the 1980s, and read it in books dating back to the 1960s (at least). Rangefinders have not been mainstream products for a very long while. I don't think that an EVF-only version of the M will change that; it will still be a niche camera.

An EVF-M should appeal to older (more affluent) photographers, while the "real" M appeals to younger photographers who want a more authentic experience. After all, they already own an EVF camera (and phone), so it isn't a novelty.

[Smudgerer]

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Could be wrong, have been once before in this long life I'm told, but although the incoming M-EV/Whatever is not a camera that excites me or has me checking my bank account "just in case", I feel that if this does pan out to be a reality it could be a Leica M camera that will find a decent enough market in those who already have one or more analogue or digital M's and could be a camera body that would ride alongside that M existing kit quite nicely.

There's also the market for those that want a "simpler" M camera to go with, those to whom looking at faux life through an EVF or on a LCD screen is normal these days and let's be honest stepping into the M rangefinder does have a learning curve that many may be too faffed to bother with but still would like to show off the cache of Leica ownership.

Leica have made a couple or more unexpectedly good calls before, the Q series for instance, and the Monochrom M's..........then there's the continuing "special editions" that seem to sell like hot cakes, ( something that utterly mystifies me, but whatever.....), so I would bet that they've done their homework, quite successfully teased all the Leicaists to the point of madness so no doubt there could be a lot of deposit cash in Leica's bank by week's end, and frankly good luck to them on this likely new version M release.

Of course if all they announce on Thursday is a Gold Leaf trump M 11t Edition there will be a lot of Leica lemmings running for the cliff edge............

[rxj]

Feels like an easy way to break the new model down. Do you want the:

Porsche Cayman / 718 - Leica Q

Porsche 911 - Leica M11

Porsche 911 GT3 - Leica M11-D

Porsche Taycan - Leica M EV1

Porsche Cayenne - Leica SL3

Porsche Macan - Leica SL3-S

Something for everyone

Edited 6 hours ago by rxj

[ApoVision]

And the Visoflex in the form of the Arc de Triomphe

[ApoVision]

5 minutes ago, rxj said:

Feels like an easy way to break the new model down. Do you want the:

Porsche Cayman / 718 - Leica Q

Porsche 911 - Leica M11

Porsche 911 GT3 - Leica M11-D

Porsche Taycan - Leica M EV1

Porsche Cayenne - Leica SL3

Porsche Macan - Leica SL3-S

Something for everyone

Unfair to compare Leica with such an unsuccessful car company

[bobtodrick]

26 minutes ago, ApoVision said:

Unfair to compare Leica with such an unsuccessful car company

I'm hoping you are being sarcastic

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2024/company/porsche-jd-power-iqs-top-ranked-premium-brand-36660.html

[NigelG]

I personally don’t get the Porsche comparison as a meaningful reference to the M series…but there seem to be some commenting here who I guess would clutch their pearls if anyone wanted to drive a Porsche that wasn’t a “proper” air-cooled RWD manual-gearbox 911.

I’m intrigued to see what is released and am happy that my pre-release payment for October 23rd was accepted and I can’t wait for the delivery! 
 

(But it’s for Andrew Graham-Dixon’s new masterwork on Vermeer 😉)

 

Edited 5 hours ago by NigelG

[charlesphoto99]

2 hours ago, rxj said:

I feel like traditional M shooters are just feeling uneasy that the "perfect" and traditional M is being disrupted.

Nope, that's not it. I think it's in part the hypocrisy (silliness?) of so many that just had to have an M, spent tens of thousands (and absolutely must get every new model of the alphabet as it comes out) and then complain about what's been a standard and what has made the M unique (the rf) for almost seventy years, and now think they'll do much better spending thousands more with a compromised EVF (imo it needs a Z9 level of EVF to compete at that price), despite the fact that most never print and many of the images taken (and seen on this forum) may as well have been made with a smartphone, and might even be better if they had been (at least some sort of post processing is happening by default). Of course, a brand like Leica is there to feed the endless hungry ghost of consumerism - Leica wants your $9k, whether it makes brick walls that much easier to focus on or not. 

[pedaes]

4 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

brick walls that much easier to focus on or not.

Well, we have yet to see real world reports on how easy it is to focus with the EVF, but this body may genuinely help long term M users with age related eyesight deterioration, and if it does great, and that alone would be enough justification for me.

[BernardC]

11 minutes ago, pedaes said:

Well, we have yet to see real world reports on how easy it is to focus with the EVF

There are lots of reports in the SL section. Those cameras have been around for a decade already. The main question is whether the constraints of fitting an EVF in an M shape will allow a similar level of performance. One feature that sets the SLs apart for mirrorless competitors is the high quality of the EVF optics. 

[pedaes]

1 minute ago, BernardC said:

will allow a similar level of performance.

Well, after a decade it may be improved!

[BernardC]

4 hours ago, lct said:

Hard to convince them that the autozoom feature would be impossible then. Their idea was to make a special adapter with a roller cam. Glad to escape such accessory.

It wouldn't have to be a roller cam. A simple/cheap IR distance sensor would do, since it wouldn't need to actuate a mechanism. This would sit in the lens mount and be pointed at the roller's mating surface.

[BernardC]

13 minutes ago, pedaes said:

Well, after a decade it may be improved!

It's been available since 2015, but we've had 5 SL bodies over the past decade, with the most recent coming-out this year.

Mind you, the original SL was already great. Its EVF still looks sharper than almost anything released since. The trick is to spend money on good optics, which isn't something that most brands are willing to do. They love to tell you how many millions of pixels are on their chip (which comes from the same suppliers as Leica's chips), but they put a toy magnifier between that and your eye.

[lct]

11 minutes ago, BernardC said:

It wouldn't have to be a roller cam. A simple/cheap IR distance sensor would do, since it wouldn't need to actuate a mechanism. This would sit in the lens mount and be pointed at the roller's mating surface.

First time i hear of this. Do you think it could "read" the focus cams of M lenses including legacy ones like that?

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[pedaes]

44 minutes ago, BernardC said:

but they put a toy magnifier between that and your eye.

I am confident that if Leica do release a M body EVF they will deliver a camera that is state of the art + . I do not think they would risk anything sub-optimal.