adan Posted yesterday at 12:52 AM Share #3361 Posted yesterday at 12:52 AM Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, lct said: Do you prefer that? Say hello to my grand daughter😍 Easy to do, i mean taking the photo of course (Blurred for privacy sorry). Not really. No reflection at all on your grand daughter, but I find both your examples - as photographs - to be very unpersuasively weak. Amateurish, in every sense of the word: https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/amateurish It is indeed "easy" to produce incompetent photographs - outstanding photographs require hard work, effort, skill, and above all (as the prayer says), "the wisdom to know the difference" between incompetent and outstanding. Probably not your intention - but they make me even more convinced that an evf-M (whatever the real designation) could be a horrible experience and a horrible tool. Maybe someone else will have more effective examples of manual-focus EVF candid-action shots. If only for Leica's sake, should they actually embark on this experiment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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algrove Posted yesterday at 01:13 AM Share #3362 Posted yesterday at 01:13 AM Latest LR photos seem to confirm: M mount, Q3 like EVF window, M11 3 buttons left of LCD, no ISO button, no hot shoe, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillavoider Posted yesterday at 01:21 AM Share #3363 Posted yesterday at 01:21 AM i hope it has a fake film advance lever 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted yesterday at 01:53 AM Share #3364 Posted yesterday at 01:53 AM 30 minutes ago, hillavoider said: i hope it has a fake film advance lever Probably that could be the most useful addition. I use one on all my M6's & 7's. 🤩 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted yesterday at 02:37 AM Share #3365 Posted yesterday at 02:37 AM 1 hour ago, algrove said: Latest LR photos seem to confirm: M mount, Q3 like EVF window, M11 3 buttons left of LCD, no ISO button, no hot shoe, etc. I still don't see what the Q has to do with an M-mount camera, let alone the rangefinder window. The date of 23rd October seems credible though. Only 3 days left, we shall see... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted yesterday at 02:49 AM Share #3366 Posted yesterday at 02:49 AM I guess the hotshoe will be a feature in the M11-EVF-P or the M11-EVF Hotshoe Edition. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted yesterday at 03:11 AM Share #3367 Posted yesterday at 03:11 AM Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, adan said: [...] I find both your examples - as photographs - to be very unpersuasively weak. Amateurish, in every sense of the word: https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/amateurish [...] Many pics of mine have been shot with an EVF when i took legal photos for my job. It has never been a problem and my clients never complained then so i will follow the same amateurish route with the EVF-M hopefully. YMMV. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbirkey Posted yesterday at 03:32 AM Share #3368 Posted yesterday at 03:32 AM (edited) 5 hours ago, adan said: Oh, goodie - an action photo of a flower? Of oourse it was not difficult. But it is (as is so often the case with the "easy") also boring. If anyone took more than 1.5 seconds to see and focus and shoot that picture - it was a waste of time and effort (no matter how minimal). Could an EVF camera make effective photographs, like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Escape_Collapse (Made pre-AF in 1975, won Pulitzer Prize for News Photography 1976) Or this: (same photographer - the next year) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soiling_of_Old_Glory Because those are my standards for what any camera must be capable of doing. So you are using a motorized Nikon F with a 135mm lens…? Just like Stanley Forman did on the fire escape collapse image? A M EVF would be closer to that setup than a basic M11 would be…. And any working photographer would have already focused on the subject and set the exposure for the image anyhow…. There is no way that Stanley was changing focus/refocusing on anything once they started falling, as the mirror is going up and down 3 times a second… Good luck shooting with a M11 OVF and a 135mm on a moving image in stressful moment like that where you have to think about getting the subject inside the ridiculously small frames…. Many people would be so shocked in that instant that they wouldn’t even have managed to press the shutter button until after it was over…. I can’t imagine that image ever being caught with anything other than an SLR or an EVF… So help me understand why an EVF would not be able to capture it? Edited yesterday at 03:43 AM by dbirkey 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted yesterday at 04:00 AM Share #3369 Posted yesterday at 04:00 AM 39 minutes ago, lct said: Many pics of mine have been shot with an EVF when i took legal photos for my job. It has never been a problem and my clients never complained then so i will follow the same amateurish route with the EVF-M hopefully. YMMV. Understood. I myself have made "record" shots of fellow artists' work for them, as well as similar record shots. See, e.g., my avatar image (credited to the actual artist in my signature). Since they were firmly mounted on an easel or tabletop (and thus static), they could have been made with an EVF's slow focus peeking ot focus magnification. But I found the M's optical VF/RF to work identically well. AND... It worked better/faster when time was of the essence. The handshake lasted a second.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5878322'>More sharing options...
adan Posted yesterday at 04:22 AM Share #3370 Posted yesterday at 04:22 AM 29 minutes ago, dbirkey said: So help me understand why an EVF would not be able to capture it? Why trust me? Plenty of EVF cameras out there to try out for yourself, for split-second focusing capability. With or without the focus aids. Just remember - NO autofocus with M lenses - and as the image above makes clear, you have less than two seconds to get it - or miss it. It is probable that Stanley Forman has one of these split-image-prism-screens in his Nikon, not just a "blank" screen. Most of us PJs had them more or less welded in, since it was the default focus screen that came with the camera. And very effective. https://www.nikonusa.com/p/type-k3-focusing-screen/2696/overview?srsltid=AfmBOoorJXAxhz4-8VLBGyV_mPNxQ9fhhFMO8aJ6bBT0Cz4_0fWnc_EJ (And why? Because the Leica Ms had shown the speed advantage of binary focusing (aligned/not aligned - 1 or 0) compared to screen focusing alone ("Is it sharp - oops, no it can be sharper - oops, turned the ring too far; now it's fuzzy again." Rinse and repeat - while the moment goes off that-away 😜) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted yesterday at 04:27 AM Share #3371 Posted yesterday at 04:27 AM 1 minute ago, adan said: [...] Since they were firmly mounted on an easel or tabletop (and thus static), they could have been made with an EVF's slow focus peeking ot focus magnification [...]. EVFs ar not the slow thing you seem to believe. How could i shoot my Sony a7r2 mod otherwise? And it is not a new camera, i must use it for 10 years more or less. It works fine with Sony lenses of course but also M lenses with an adapter and it is more responsive than the Visoflex 2 of my M11. An EVF-M that fast would be good enough for me. Now, as i tried to explain above, even with the Visoflex 2, focusing is not difficult with a bit of practice thanks to both autozoom (that the Sony has not) and focus peaking. Again YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbirkey Posted yesterday at 05:10 AM Share #3372 Posted yesterday at 05:10 AM 17 minutes ago, adan said: Why trust me? Plenty of EVF cameras out there to try out for yourself, for split-second focusing capability. With or without the focus aids. Just remember - NO autofocus with M lenses - and as the image above makes clear, you have less than two seconds to get it - or miss it. It is probable that Stanley Forman has one of these split-image-prism-screens in his Nikon, not just a "blank" screen. Most of us PJs had them more or less welded in, since it was the default focus screen that came with the camera. And very effective. https://www.nikonusa.com/p/type-k3-focusing-screen/2696/overview?srsltid=AfmBOoorJXAxhz4-8VLBGyV_mPNxQ9fhhFMO8aJ6bBT0Cz4_0fWnc_EJ (And why? Because the Leica Ms had shown the speed advantage of binary focusing (aligned/not aligned - 1 or 0) compared to screen focusing alone ("Is it sharp - oops, no it can be sharper - oops, turned the ring too far; now it's fuzzy again." Rinse and repeat - while the moment goes off that-away 😜) I never liked the split-image screens…. I shot for many years with Canon F1ns with the SJ and SK laser matte screens starting back before they had any decent zoom lenses. I had all of the fast L/non L series lenses…. I would have had no problem shooting the above handshake scene with any EVF camera…. Or MF camera…. Or M series camera.. I would have already anticipated the area of focus/hyperfocal distance based on where the policeman was and where the people were walking by…. But then again, today… I would never cover a news event with anything other than a couple of AF bodies with zoom lenses…. There are number of well-known working photogs who use the SL series cameras with M Lenses only. The M EVF 1 viewfinder is rumored to have the same resolution as the SL2/3…which is a significant improvement over the Visoflex2… I am looking for a M camera that I enjoy shooting with… I want something different than what I have now… Looking through a clear M11 viewfinder does not help me visualize what is in and out of focus… an EVF will do that… I don’t care about what is outside the frame lines… that is just a distraction. I only care about what is in the image frame… so I am excited about the prospect of a M series EVF camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted yesterday at 05:22 AM Author Share #3373 Posted yesterday at 05:22 AM (edited) 1 hour ago, lct said: EVFs ar not the slow thing you seem to believe. How could i shoot my Sony a7r2 mod otherwise? And it is not a new camera, i must use it for 10 years more or less. It works fine with Sony lenses of course but also M lenses with an adapter and it is more responsive than the Visoflex 2 of my M11. An EVF-M that fast would be good enough for me. Now, as i tried to explain above, even with the Visoflex 2, focusing is not difficult with a bit of practice thanks to both autozoom (that the Sony has not) and focus peaking. Again YMMV. My only gripe with the auto zoom is that if anything is moving, I lose sight of it as soon as it zooms in so I might make focus but I won’t know what I’m photographing😂 I do use peaking on my SL2-S. Black and white preview and red. I like it for composing as I do not have to focus and recompose my composition. I also enjoy seeing the transition of in and out of focus areas as I turn the dial. The trade off is I do not achieve critical focus as often but depth of field tends to help out most of the time with how I shoot. Not long to go LCT, unless this is all a farce of course. If not, I hope you bag the first one off the shelf! Edited yesterday at 05:36 AM by costa43 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfairclough Posted yesterday at 05:30 AM Share #3374 Posted yesterday at 05:30 AM 4 hours ago, algrove said: Latest LR photos seem to confirm: M mount, Q3 like EVF window, M11 3 buttons left of LCD, no ISO button, no hot shoe, etc. This is legit. I have seen it in person, my friend is testing it. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbirkey Posted yesterday at 05:40 AM Share #3375 Posted yesterday at 05:40 AM 8 minutes ago, maxfairclough said: This is legit. I have seen it in person, my friend is testing it. No hotshoe??? The LR pics show one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaflex Posted yesterday at 05:40 AM Share #3376 Posted yesterday at 05:40 AM Could the additional window on the front be a LIDAR module? The position is similar to the Hasselblad X2D II. Given the technology was a joint venture of Panasonic and DJI, it seems to be possible. The advantage would be, that the camera knows the distance to the object and could “help” you to find the right focus. Maybe even with something similar to the rangefinder double image in the center of the frame …? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted yesterday at 05:44 AM Author Share #3377 Posted yesterday at 05:44 AM (edited) 4 hours ago, beewee said: Latest “leaked” photo looks unconvincing. Someone forgot to photoshop out the smaller rangefinder window. https://leicarumors.com/2025/10/19/is-this-the-first-leaked-picture-of-the-rumored-leica-m-ev1-camera.aspx/ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! If we overlook the whole M heritage and just focus on the design, I think this looks really nice if true. Not sure what the rangefinder window would be for though. Edited yesterday at 05:49 AM by costa43 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted yesterday at 06:08 AM Share #3378 Posted yesterday at 06:08 AM 1 hour ago, lct said: EVFs ar not the slow thing you seem to believe. How could i shoot my Sony a7r2 mod otherwise? And it is not a new camera, i must use it for 10 years more or less. It works fine with Sony lenses of course but also M lenses with an adapter and it is more responsive than the Visoflex 2 of my M11. An EVF-M that fast would be good enough for me. Now, as i tried to explain above, even with the Visoflex 2, focusing is not difficult with a bit of practice thanks to both autozoom (that the Sony has not) and focus peaking. Again YMMV. If you are used to instant feedback from an OVF, the EVF's slight delay seems like an obstacle. I guess one can adjust one's shooting to compensate for that delay. Luckily, we will always have an OVF-based M so that people can continue using what works best for them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted yesterday at 06:21 AM Share #3379 Posted yesterday at 06:21 AM (edited) 6 hours ago, beewee said: Latest “leaked” photo looks unconvincing. Someone forgot to photoshop out the smaller rangefinder window. https://leicarumors.com/2025/10/19/is-this-the-first-leaked-picture-of-the-rumored-leica-m-ev1-camera.aspx/ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The LCD screen seems to protrude more than usual from the back. Is it a flip screen, or just bad photoshopping? Edited yesterday at 07:13 AM by evikne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfairclough Posted yesterday at 06:33 AM Share #3380 Posted yesterday at 06:33 AM 53 minutes ago, dbirkey said: No hotshoe??? The LR pics show one It has a black hotshoe cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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