3D-Kraft.com Posted February 10 Share #181 Posted February 10 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 24 Minuten schrieb jaapv: No joystick. M users always focus-recompose. After all, the focus patch does not jump around either. If you would read my posts thoroughly and not just respond to them reflexively: I agree on avoiding the joystick. Newer technologies would allow that. Regarding focus-recompose: That is one of the stupidities that the RF imposes on you. It stands in the way to get properly focused photos when using lenses with a shallow DoF and field curvature (that all Noctiluxes suffer heavily from). Edited February 10 by 3D-Kraft.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted February 10 Share #182 Posted February 10 It is a simple technique. Most M users don’t find it a problem to get perfectly focused images that way. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted February 10 Share #183 Posted February 10 M with EVF is just a Q with M mount. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphlex Posted February 10 Share #184 Posted February 10 On 2/9/2025 at 7:11 AM, raizans said: Meanwhile the Contax G system was introduced in 1994. I had a G with a bunch of lenses, all superb. Fatal flaw was time parallax—shutter delay was long, noisy and clunky. Too much mechanical business between press and capture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted February 10 Share #185 Posted February 10 (edited) vor 15 Minuten schrieb jaapv: It is a simple technique. Most M users don’t find it a problem to get perfectly focused images that way. Yes - and how many of them use a 50 or 75 Noctilux successfully wide open for portraits on an M where the eyes are not in the center? It was one of the reasons why I sold the M240 after a short time. Although it already provided live view and magnification, the magnification could only used in the center. No chance to get a properly focused portrait with eyes in the midframe of a Noctilux without taking a series of several shots while moving the camera towards the object (or backward, depending on the type of field curvature). Edited February 10 by 3D-Kraft.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphlex Posted February 10 Share #186 Posted February 10 With through-the-lens focusing, you must shoot either wide open (which leaves you open to focus shift) or stopped down (in which case unassisted focusing must overcome high depth of focus). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee S Posted February 10 Share #187 Posted February 10 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: The A7III EVF is outdated. In today's models they are resolving much better. But I agree - pressing a button to switch through magnification steps and moving the magnifier with a joystick while loosing the context is not really a good experience. Today there would be options for much improved concepts like shown on the rumors sites: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! E.g. it can use eye-detection and automatically magnify the area of interest, when shooting portraits or animals. This also means, that you are not forced to focus in the center and recompose (which is a typical cause for blur due to field curvature of the lens when shooting wide open). I can imagine, what the M purist think about this, but those can stick with M9 and M10-D... Sure - when your domain are landscapes in bright daylight with the camera on a tripod... that is quite fantastic, especially if an a M mount it had it with lag free software stabilisation when magnifying the point of focus/interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 10 Share #188 Posted February 10 10 minutes ago, Ko.Fe. said: M with EVF is just a Q with M mount. No it's not. It's a small SL with a M mount. Or a full frame CL. Or......... There's a thread many threads for every one of these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted February 10 Share #189 Posted February 10 vor 4 Minuten schrieb Lee S: that is quite fantastic, especially if an a M mount it had it with lag free software stabilisation when magnifying the point of focus/interest. or an IBIS 😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadDadDaddyo Posted February 10 Share #190 Posted February 10 (edited) Spoken with brogue... "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain..." -- Cmdr. Montgomery Scott Edited February 10 by DadDadDaddyo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 10 Share #191 Posted February 10 18 minutes ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: Yes - and how many of them use a 50 or 75 Noctilux successfully wide open for portraits on an M where the eyes are not in the center Most experienced M users have no problem getting the eyes in focus in that situation. Just a matter of leaning backwards a bit instinctively. Nothing esoteric about it. However if you give up “after a short while” that is exactly the point. Leica M = practice, pretty, practice. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted February 10 Share #192 Posted February 10 (edited) vor 7 Minuten schrieb jaapv: Most experienced M users have no problem getting the eyes in focus in that situation. Just a matter of leaning backwards a bit instinctively. Nothing esoteric about it. However if you give up “after a short while” that is exactly the point. Leica M = practice, pretty, practice. This is just a poor workaround, looking quite ridiculous and not helpful when the person is also in movement. But you may be lucky that the person moves the required amount or your natural intelligence helps you to anticipate every movement and field curvature. Congratulations! Edited February 10 by 3D-Kraft.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 10 Share #193 Posted February 10 A poor workaround only for those who cannot be bothered to learn how to use their tool. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 10 Share #194 Posted February 10 43 minutes ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: Yes - and how many of them use a 50 or 75 Noctilux successfully wide open for portraits on an M where the eyes are not in the center? Neither lens is particularly effective on an M. They are 'trophy', esoteric lenses at the very periphery of the M rangefinder's capability and far more viable on an evf like the SL. Anyway they are too big on an M. This thread is going nowhere I'm afraid. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted February 10 Share #195 Posted February 10 1 hour ago, jaapv said: First a fake rewind knob, then a fake wind lever. And now a fake window? That *fake rewind lever* on the M10D is the sole reason I didn’t buy a M11D. They took it away. People seem to forget the lever served TWO functions on a film M. Wind lever and thumb support. The second is why film M’s handle better then digital M’s and why we spend $$$ on Thumbies and grips and fill the hot shoe at great expense. The lack of the thumb support on digital M’s is both a design failure and a blatant cash grab. The M10D thumb support (correct title for you) was/is brilliant. Works perfectly and get out of the way when not needed. But Leica see you’ll spend a few hundred on a lesser solution if they don’t offer it. Gordon 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted February 10 Share #196 Posted February 10 25 minutes ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: This is just a poor workaround, looking quite ridiculous and not helpful when the person is also in movement. But you may be lucky that the person moves the required amount or your natural intelligence helps you to anticipate every movement and field curvature. Congratulations! Not really. This is a valid technique used by M photographers for a century. It’s fast, efficient and pretty natural if practised. I used this technique extensively when I shot weddings with only M cameras. Gordon 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted February 10 Share #197 Posted February 10 vor 1 Minute schrieb pgk: They are 'trophy', esoteric lenses at the very periphery of the M rangefinder's capability and far more viable on an evf like the SL. Anyway they are too big on an M. The 50/1.0 Noct and the 50/1.0 Voigtländer are still ok sizewise on the M: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! They will profit from an EVF-M as many other threads already have shown, that the recommendation is to use a visoflex on the M for them. But the 75mm Noctilux is definitely too large for the M. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! They will profit from an EVF-M as many other threads already have shown, that the recommendation is to use a visoflex on the M for them. But the 75mm Noctilux is definitely too large for the M. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5755364'>More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted February 10 Share #198 Posted February 10 55 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: No it's not. It's a small SL with a M mount. Or a full frame CL. Or......... There's a thread many threads for every one of these. SL is SLR mock off. CL is Olympus Pen F digital knock off. Q is closest to M. If they were able to slap some humongous APO on it, adding M mount is technically possible. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted February 10 Share #199 Posted February 10 vor 15 Minuten schrieb FlashGordonPhotography: I used this technique extensively when I shot weddings with only M cameras. There are simpler ways to make life difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudgerer Posted February 10 Share #200 Posted February 10 24 minutes ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: There are simpler ways to make life difficult. That's pretty much the most sensible sentence in this whole thread, thank you............. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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