EVF M rumoured

[erl]

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Well, I did it! I walked into the Leica Store in Melbourne and picked up the M EV1.

No, I didn't buy it, I just fondled it. It's a nice looking camera and feels good in the hand. I was particularly interested in the EVF 'wake-up' time For me that is a real issue. The wakeup was pretty good, but I still had to wait for the image once my eye was in position. Because I am not a serious contender to buy, I didn't 'put it through the hoops' but did somehow get into a discussion about trading in a bunch of my oldies. I do like the Diopter adjustment, finally on an 'M' camera.I still  walked away feeling impressed, but not prepared to pony up AU$13000.

So I went on my merry way and shot film through my M6, which I am now processing.

P.S. The tiny rectangular window on the front is for the Red Led self timer. 🫣

[catacore]

Well, this thread will never reach 200 pages, I fear 🙃

[SrMi]

3 minutes ago, catacore said:

Well, this thread will never reach 200 pages, I fear 🙃

If we merge all nine threads about M-EV1, it will :).

[catacore]

1 minute ago, SrMi said:

If we merge all nine threads about M-EV1, it will :).

Yes, indeed, but this one was just for the rumour itself. Now we KNOW 😁

[darylgo]

For the sake of 200 pages, can someone tell me the advantage of removing the rangefinder/viewfinder?  The uniqueness of the M is having a crystal clear viewfinder, also a good LCD and on top of that the ability to add an evf.  No other camera has this, I can focus with the rangefinder, view with the evf for perfect framing and use the LCD for quick evaluation and changes.  I'm losing the option that makes me return to the M from Nikon and Sony.  

[Pelu2010]

5 minutes ago, darylgo said:

For the sake of 200 pages, can someone tell me the advantage of removing the rangefinder/viewfinder?  The uniqueness of the M is having a crystal clear viewfinder, also a good LCD and on top of that the ability to add an evf.  No other camera has this, I can focus with the rangefinder, view with the evf for perfect framing and use the LCD for quick evaluation and changes.  I'm losing the option that makes me return to the M from Nikon and Sony.  

Hey, it’s not for you! 
So just enjoy. 
you don’t need the camera and it’s not aimed at you. 
you could test it, if you like, just to see if all your arguments stick. 
The camera is aimed at clients that have a bias against the traditional M system, but would like to breath the aura of the new camera. And they are real. They are just not in this forum, but sooner or later they will arrive. There where lots of people that didn’t want a smartphone before the iPhone > but in the end ….
Time will tell.
Cheers  

[SrMi]

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2 hours ago, darylgo said:

For the sake of 200 pages, can someone tell me the advantage of removing the rangefinder/viewfinder?  The uniqueness of the M is having a crystal clear viewfinder, also a good LCD and on top of that the ability to add an evf.  No other camera has this, I can focus with the rangefinder, view with the evf for perfect framing and use the LCD for quick evaluation and changes.  I'm losing the option that makes me return to the M from Nikon and Sony.  

The disadvantages of removing the rangefinder are known. The advantage is that you do not need to mount the large-ish EVF and can keep the camera sleek if you are using an EVF anyway. Rear LCD image framing is for me only in emergencies, as I dislike using it to photograph.

[Photon42]

We still wait for the optional rangefinder to be slid onto the accessory shoe 😎 Just like a modern FODIS.

Edited Friday at 03:01 PM by Photon42

[Derbyshire Man]

I popped along to Red Dot Cameras today and had a go. I think it's nice. EVF is Q3 rather than visoflex and that helps. Obviously on auto zoom with first level of mag one gets good results. I can't help but wish it had a 9mp VF like the Sony but that no doubt comes with its own battery & refresh issues. Just that I then wouldn't need zoom at all ever.

I'm certainly not in the 'never camp'. Happy with my 2nd hand Q3 at the moment which I mostly use for low contrast situations but maybe in due course might consider one used in the future. It'll have to be quite a long way in the future as I accidentally bought a previously owned summicron m 35mm apo!*

[*For those who are very literal I didn't really accidentally buy it, I knew it was there and it was the main reason I went to the shop, just a figure of speech]

[raizans]

We’re only 8 pages away from 200. Come on, we can do it!

[SrMi]

5 hours ago, Photon42 said:

We still wait for the optional rangefinder to be slid onto the accessory shoe 😎 Just like a modern FODIS.

I could imagine using an external OVF, as the high contrast scenes are often hard to see in an EVF with highlight protection making it quite dark.

[evikne]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

I could imagine using an external OVF, as the high contrast scenes are often hard to see in an EVF with highlight protection making it quite dark.

From OVF with external EVF, to EVF with external OVF – I think that brings us back to start. 🤪

[lct]

External OVs have been in use with Leica cameras since the 30s. Young Cartier-Bresson in 1932 here.

[FrozenInTime]

The M-EV1 is growing on me, with the live histogram in the EVF - just like every other EVIL camera.

[SrMi]

3 minutes ago, FrozenInTime said:

The M-EV1 is growing on me, with the live histogram in the EVF - just like every other EVIL camera.

Yes, it gives me additional confidence in exposure.

[FrozenInTime]

Are stickers available for the front of the M-EV1, to cover the red dot and add a fake OVF window i.e. make it look like a true M11P - would not want to get into heated arguments with other Leica  photographers on the street 😉 

[FrozenInTime]

1 minute ago, SrMi said:

Yes, it gives me additional confidence in exposure.

A histogram on the sub display is something Leica should add to the M12 request list ; I think Pixii have the lead in overlayed display information.

[evikne]

14 minutes ago, FrozenInTime said:

Are stickers available for the front of the M-EV1, to cover the red dot and add a fake OVF window i.e. make it look like a true M11P - would not want to get into heated arguments with other Leica  photographers on the street 😉 

Fake OVF windows are coming, that's for sure! I'm also hoping for a luxury version with black glass and a metal frame around it.

Edited Friday at 10:22 PM by evikne

[FrozenInTime]

7 hours ago, Photon42 said:

We still wait for the optional rangefinder to be slid onto the accessory shoe 😎 Just like a modern FODIS.

That might be the solution : a GoPro like action camera plugged into the hot shoe, could also proved the offset view needed for a digital rangefinder; it would also be a big plus to those POV Youtube creators Leica is so in love with.

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[LocalHero1953]

Low light is a challenge for both OVF and EVF. The EVF, with exposure simulation and AF, can see and take a shot of something I can barely see in the dark - I certainly could not have focused this shot with a rangefinder. The downside is that in low light the EVF lag becomes painful - by the time you've got your shot the subject may be elsewhere. Am I the first person to say that all cameras require compromises?

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Edited Friday at 10:33 PM by LocalHero1953