EVF M rumoured

[raizans]

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5 hours ago, Elliot Harper said:

Because M stands for rangefinder 

Only until October 23rd. 😂

[Robert Blanko]

vor 8 Stunden schrieb jonoslack:

Oh! I think you're quite wrong here - there is so much cool associated with the M design - disguising it as a 70 year old camera will bring in lots of buyers, but making it look like something else and it would just be an EVF camera with no AF (and who wants one of those). 

. . . and even if you aren't looking at 'cool' those old guys who can't focus rangefinders will want their EVF camera to look like an M . . . and so would the people who want an extra camera to shoot wide angle and telephoto lenses. 

Don't you think?

You are defending the camera that you have tested the last 3 months? 🤔🤔 Looking forward to reading your review soon…

[IkarusJohn]

What exactly is happening on 23 October, and how do we know?

[Smogg]

11 minutes ago, IkarusJohn said:

What exactly is happening on 23 October, and how do we know?

The carriage will turn into a pumpkin, and the rangefinder into an EVF😀

[pgk]

19 hours ago, BernardC said:

SLRs have a similar issue. The image is focused at the bottom side of the focusing screen, but informational displays are closer, and any image overlays are on the top side of the screen. Many photographers made the mistake of adjusting their dioptre for the wrong thing, especially for the fresnel pattern which is visually closer than the image. 

All my cameras have had everything in one image plane - this is how it works. Any diopter is merely to correct the photographer's sight to accomodate the effective distance at which the viewfinder image and data is projected. Most cameras today have quite good 'eye relief' meaning that the exit puil is nearer the back of the camera and thus easier to see. The M camera still has an older, poorer eye relief. Changing this might be tricky. Whilst an EVF-M may not be so constrained, a hybrid EVF/OVF system may simply be too difficult to fit within the M and not significantly increase bulk at the rear of the eyepiece.

[Tseg]

Looking forward to the rebadged SL3… 🙄

[jonoslack]

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3 hours ago, Robert Blanko said:

You are defending the camera that you have tested the last 3 months? 🤔🤔 Looking forward to reading your review soon…

Not at all - I was answering LCT - as I said before, I wish it was coming, because I would like to write about something so controversial!

[pedaes]

12 hours ago, jonoslack said:

those old guys

Be interested in your definition of 'old'.

[jonoslack]

1 minute ago, pedaes said:

Be interested in your definition of 'old'.

My definition of old is "someone who says they can't focus a rangefinder anymore"  - or 96, whichever comes first 🤩

Sorry if it seemed derogatory, I'm 73 myself, so pretty old I guess!

[pedaes]

3 minutes ago, jonoslack said:

"someone who says they can't focus a rangefinder anymore"

Well, that will upset some in their 50's! Hope the definition also means if you can focus a rangefinder at 80 you are young!😀

[Photon42]

29 minutes ago, jonoslack said:

My definition of old is "someone who says they can't focus a rangefinder anymore"  - or 96, whichever comes first 🤩

Sorry if it seemed derogatory, I'm 73 myself, so pretty old I guess!

Any hint on your rangefinder focussing abilities ...? 😁

[jonoslack]

30 minutes ago, pedaes said:

Well, that will upset some in their 50's! Hope the definition also means if you can focus a rangefinder at 80 you are young!😀

Absolutely - if you can focus a rangefinder at 95 you are young too!

 

6 minutes ago, Photon42 said:

Any hint on your rangefinder focussing abilities ...? 😁

Not bad - I practice a lot and wear contact lenses which makes it easier than with glasses 

. . . . . so clearly I'm still young 🤩😂

Edited 11 hours ago by jonoslack

[catacore]

15 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Excellent. Now I have read a post from someone who claims to have had an email exchange with someone who claims to be a Leica dealer and also claims to have played with a M-EV.

The evidence is piling up.

Not quite sure if this makes me a liar, at least it implies so, I guess. Thanks anyway! 

Nevertheless, despite you, I know what is coming, and I am really amused to read some posts on this thread. But you have no clue, that is! You're just that (always present) smart arse.

 

[catacore]

13 hours ago, jonoslack said:

Well, Leica Rumours seems to get it wrong so completely and convincingly that I wonder whether Peter feels that he gets more clicks by reporting bollocks . . . but hey . . what do I know? I have a suspicion that this whole EVF M thing is a hoax which won't happen . . . only thing I'm sure of is that Leica Rumours will be wrong!

Probably it is just to steer people away from the "real" rumor, as to save the big surprise.

[LocalHero1953]

7 minutes ago, catacore said:

Not quite sure if this makes me a liar, at least it implies so, I guess. Thanks anyway! 

Nevertheless, despite you, I know what is coming, and I am really amused to read some posts on this thread. But you have no clue, that is! You're just that (always present) smart arse.

 

My point is that neither I, nor anyone else on this forum who doesn't know you personally, knows if you're a liar or not. It would be the same with any similar statement I made.

We can't take a statement made by a stranger about something that cannot be known till some time in the future as truth or not. There are plenty of liars out there. In this case though it's not a critical issue and 'liar' is an offensive term unless there is evidence to prove the person wrong. So that's not what I'm saying - but frankly I have no reason to believe you or anyone else on the matter. So I won't - I'll just wait and see.

[JNK100]

4 hours ago, Smogg said:

The carriage will turn into a pumpkin, and the rangefinder into an EVF😀

But if the hot-shoe fits....

[BernardC]

1 hour ago, pgk said:

All my cameras have had everything in one image plane - this is how it works.

That is certainly the case with EVF cameras, but it wasn't the case in the SLR days. Only the ground (matte) side of the focusing screen was at the image plane. Everything else like fresnel lenses, overlays, framing guides, information displays, etc., was slightly above or below.

To be fair, I doubt most people even noticed. Camera jockeys would tell you to set your diopter so that the Fresnel was sharp, or maybe the speed display, because it was easier to explain. Besides, I'm sure half their customers couldn't see the fine-grained ground glass pattern if they tried. This all became moot in the AF zoom era, when focus screens were engineered to be bright, but have no bite. This helped disguise the inaccuracies of autofocusing systems, but it was extremely frustrating to those of us who focused manually.

Back on topic: the rumoured EVF M-mount camera should have an adjustable diopter, even though rangefinder M-mount cameras do not.

[pgk]

1 hour ago, BernardC said:

That is certainly the case with EVF cameras, but it wasn't the case in the SLR days. Only the ground (matte) side of the focusing screen was at the image plane. Everything else like fresnel lenses, overlays, framing guides, information displays, etc., was slightly above or below.

This makes no sense. It is as easy to make optics work properly as not. As for not noticing well I'm pretty critical of optics having used a lot in very varied circumstances and my experience is that data and screen have been at the same virtual distance from the eye in SLR and continue to be so in modern digital cameras.

[raizans]

Just saw an incredibly relevant Tiktok: 

"All that happened is the range of options for other people expanded, and he perceived that as persecution, as his choice having been taken away. [...] Most people are not satisfied to simply have the option to live their life the way they want. They also want to feel normal. They want to walk around and see that most other people have made the same choice they made."

 

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