EVF M rumoured

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And/or the main body of M lens users wanting the best mirrorless camera for their lenses.

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[charlesphoto99]

14 minutes ago, jaapv said:

So it will just be a Visoflex replacement? 

That would be my bet. Of course, we're all just postulating at this point, but imo if Leica want to retain the same M form, there isn't room for both, and the read I've gotten is that Leica doesn't want to put out a camera that compromises one or the other (or both). Also, the primary reason for most people preferring an EVF over a rangefinder is the ability to see what lenses wider than 28 (or even 28 itself) and longer than 50 are actually seeing. Not sure how a hybrid finder would work in those instances. People point out the Fuji X100 hybrid finder and discount the fact that it is a fixed lens camera. 

[Smudgerer]

13 minutes ago, jaapv said:

So it will just be a Visoflex replacement? 

Kinda......Just a bit larger, black paint, brass bodied, ( pre' distressed Safari and Pro' editions later ), Sony-like body skin to give some familiarity to those who like EVF cameras, new Origami wheeled oversized boxing, and a new range of MV braided neck straps of natural vine fronds plus a dedicated full leather bag made of Unobtainable bio' gently slaughtered virgin calf skin. Should sell like hot cakes, pre-order now. 

[charlesphoto99]

1 hour ago, Smudgerer said:

Kinda......Just a bit larger, black paint, brass bodied, ( pre' distressed Safari and Pro' editions later ), Sony-like body skin to give some familiarity to those who like EVF cameras, new Origami wheeled oversized boxing, and a new range of MV braided neck straps of natural vine fronds plus a dedicated full leather bag made of Unobtainable bio' gently slaughtered virgin calf skin. Should sell like hot cakes, pre-order now. 

You forgot about the new line of optical viewfinders to go in the hot shoe that Leica will be making for when you want a taste of that old skool experience. Or the third party hot shoe rangefinders that will have a claw that comes down in front and attaches to the focus ring of the lens so that one can be sure the EVF is focusing accurately. 🤑😂

Edited August 31 by charlesphoto99

[Smudgerer]

2 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

You forgot about the new line of optical viewfinders to go in the hot shoe that Leica will be making for when you want a taste of that old skool experience. Or the third party hot shoe rangefinders that will have a claw that comes down in front and attaches to the focus ring of the lens so that one can be sure the EVF is focusing accurately. 🤑😂

There's just too much to try to remember of what one would miss when the MV or whatever it's name will be comes to fruition, ( or perhaps when Jono gives his "tester"back to Wetzlar with a seal of approval ). One thing I don't think will be missed though is this #2225 thread and still counting. What a lot of hot air.

[DadDadDaddyo]

I just don't need or use a EVF all that often. This morning, however, under some gorgeous light, I went out and got a few flower shots with the Macro-Elmar-M. The Visoflex 2, tipped up at 45 degrees, performed beautifully. 

That said, I'd be all over a Visoflex 3 (higher res, lower noise, faster refresh).

Immediate order.

[NightPix]

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7 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said:

It's not going to be a hybrid. Too many compromises - both in physically manifesting it, and with the sales stream. Leica would love for the well heeled to buy one of each. And then trade in the M11-V for the M11-VP or even the M11-VD (how about that designation!) And then there's the M12 to consider, and on and on. No, I think Leica see this as either a companion body for somebody with the traditional rangefinder line, or a body unto itself for those that have always struggled with the rf concept or never wanted to go there in the first place.  For the occasional need for EVF, a Visoflex, or even just using the rear screen, is more than enough. 

Maybe someone can help me understand. The technical discussions aside, I am trying to understand the apparent angst in some comments regarding the prospect of the MV (or whatever) with an evf. It seems like that’s only an issue if you believe that the MV signals the beginning of the end for the rf m-line of cameras. Isn’t it also possible that the MV is just an additional version of the m11, like the P, D and maybe someday a monochrom? I would hate to see the rf disappear, but is there any indication that’s even being considered? What am I missing here? 

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1 hour ago, NightPix said:

[...] I would hate to see the rf disappear, but is there any indication that’s even being considered? [...]

There is no indication of this AFAIK. Some people must fear the success of the M11-V, which could overshadow other variants, i suppose.

[mikeamosau]

Kinda liking the sound of this camera more and more. Feels like it can be where Leica puts all the techy updates and things you don’t need. The V version has it all and then the M12 can go back to being a proper rangefinder… stripped down towards the m10 with no silly hybrid shutters or added ibis etc etc. I’d actually upgrade to that M12. 

[raizans]

The rangefinder purists have to demonstrate their piety. The only question that remains is how many of them will buy an M11-V. There will be other opportunities to prove their devotion to Leica, so the occasional change of heart is a given. 😁

Edited September 1 by raizans

[charlesphoto99]

43 minutes ago, raizans said:

The rangefinder purists have to demonstrate their piety. The only question that remains is how many of them will buy an M11-V. There will be other opportunities to prove their devotion to Leica, so the occasional change of heart is a given. 😁

Beggars the question why buy an M in the first place if you dislike the rangefinder so much?

Part of the issue with us 'purists' is that Leica has had years to bring out a digital M6 and instead has decided it needs to try and compete with Sony and Fuji with bells and whistles, leaving us with even longer start up times, double clack shutters, little to no improvements to the viewfinder and other basic functions, and a run of quality control blunders. So it's not 'fear' of an M11-V, and instead a dubious outlook on what Leica can actually pull off and whether that's actually better for users than what the classical viewfinder brings to the table in it's uniqueness of perfection crossed with imperfection (nothing unique about putting a micro TV in a compact body at this point). 

Edited September 1 by charlesphoto99

[raizans]

Leica the brand.

[NightPix]

35 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

Part of the issue with us 'purists' is that Leica has had years to bring out a digital M6 and instead has decided it needs to try and compete with Sony and Fuji with bells and whistles

If I understand this argument, you aren’t happy with the tech added to the m series after the m-6. With all due respect, it seems like an arbitrary point in the tech stream to pick as the pure m camera. I have a friend who shoots with a 100 year old wooden bellows camera with glass negatives, and he refers to my Leicas as unserious toys.  Some folks like to develop their own film. “Pure” photography depends on your individual point of view, and I’m guessing Leica is just trying to satisfy many different individual points of view to maximize sales. No one has to buy an m11v (or an m11D or SL3, etc). But some will and Leica wants their money. Maybe I’m missing the point totally, and if so I apologize for being dense, but I don’t see the advent of an m11v as a big deal for rf shooters (unless, as I said earlier, it portends the beginning of the end for rf tech, which I don’t think is the case). 

[mikeamosau]

Not sure why a rangefinder purist would buy a m11-v. Then again, don’t really understand why anyone buys a Leica M when they want an EVF. 

[lct]

As far as Leica M cameras are concerned "impurity" began the first time we had to use a battery i suppose. Was it with the Leicameter? Or the Leicawinder? This impure accessory broke the shutter of my M4-2 in the 80s. Or the TTL feature of the M6? Or the auto (ouch) exposure of the M7?  The life of the True Leica Man is one of constant suffering, without a doubt

[charlesphoto99]

2 hours ago, NightPix said:

If I understand this argument, you aren’t happy with the tech added to the m series after the m-6. With all due respect, it seems like an arbitrary point in the tech stream to pick as the pure m camera. I have a friend who shoots with a 100 year old wooden bellows camera with glass negatives, and he refers to my Leicas as unserious toys.  Some folks like to develop their own film. “Pure” photography depends on your individual point of view, and I’m guessing Leica is just trying to satisfy many different individual points of view to maximize sales. No one has to buy an m11v (or an m11D or SL3, etc). But some will and Leica wants their money. Maybe I’m missing the point totally, and if so I apologize for being dense, but I don’t see the advent of an m11v as a big deal for rf shooters (unless, as I said earlier, it portends the beginning of the end for rf tech, which I don’t think is the case). 

No. If no tech were added after the M6, then there would be no digital M, period. That's silly. It's just that many of us would like a digital M that is as simple and robust as an M6 is all, because at the end of the day, all one truly needs to make a photograph, is the medium (film or sensor), the lens (aperture) and the body (shutter, viewfinder, and cocking). By Leica wanting to keep cramming cutting edge tech in the M but always a generation or two or three behind with the actual tech itself, then it just becomes an exercise in marketing versus functionality. I don't care one whit if Leica puts out the M11-V and people think it's the next best thing to sliced bread (or Sony). Good for them, and I will be glad many are happy. Of course, if Leica don't do it without blackout or lag, or freezes, or whatever, then it's just an expensive unicorn for people to make more bland holiday snaps a bit easier. In my opinionated opinion. 

[charlesphoto99]

And let's drop the whole 'purity' thing please in regards to the M. I can be 'pure' with my Nikon D850 and a 300mm lens if I want to be. Or an M3 with no meter period. Or my Google Pixel. The idea of a stripped down M (Leica almost got there with the D, but then couldn't help themselves) is so nothing distracts or gets in the way. Put that processing power towards waking the thing up properly versus having to open and close the shutter a half dozen times for each shot. FWIW, for me the M10-R gets closest (though I could argue it was actually the M9). But even using my M10M in 90F heat today, the thing was getting too damn warm (no use of Visoflex or live view). For $10k, I don't want a camera body I need to trod around softly, or send away on extended vacation every year or two. 

[Derbyshire Man]

5 hours ago, mikeamosau said:

Kinda liking the sound of this camera more and more. Feels like it can be where Leica puts all the techy updates and things you don’t need. The V version has it all and then the M12 can go back to being a proper rangefinder… stripped down towards the m10 with no silly hybrid shutters or added ibis etc etc. I’d actually upgrade to that M12. 

If one wants an M11 stripped back to be more like a M10 why not just buy an M10 (or keep the M10 you already have) and enjoy the money in your bank account rather than Leica’s?

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[costa43]

The ‘purest’ digital M for me is the original M9M. It starts really quickly from sleep and of course has limited functionality along with nice organic looking files. The only M I ever regret selling. 

[mikeamosau]

6 minutes ago, Derbyshire Man said:

If one wants an M11 stripped back to be more like a M10 why not just buy an M10 (or keep the M10 you already have) and enjoy the money in your bank account rather than Leica’s?

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