lct Posted February 15 Share #521 Posted February 15 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, MarkP said: I love my leica optical viewfinders but I would probably buy one of those few thousand, especially if it is cheaper not requiring a complex optical viewfinder. +1. I Would certainly keep my M11 as i like the RF experience, also in alternance with Live View and the good enough (for me) Visoflex 2, but i end up using both most of the time and i miss the compactness of my M bodies with no accessory finder. My only hesitation would be if the EVF-M has not IBIS as i miss slow shutter speeds on the M11. We shall see when the EVF-M is launched, if any... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Edax Posted February 15 Share #522 Posted February 15 Just checked the OVF's of my Leica's. No purple tint. One thingy less to worry about 😀 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 15 Share #523 Posted February 15 3 hours ago, Chris W said: To me it looks like you cut and pasted the main subject the separation is so extreme. And you think it's not enough? Well, in order to be efective a background has to compliment the subject even if very blurry due to being out of focus. In the specific image posted the background is complicated and colourful and IMO does not support the use of a fast aperture to isolate the subject because, whist the subject is thoroughly isolated in terms of focus, it is not isolated from distracting colours (the green especially) and patterns (upper rhs) despite them being very blurry. I think that it is both difficult and rare to be able to produce an outstandingly effective image at full aperture like this. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted February 15 Share #524 Posted February 15 13 hours ago, SrMi said: I do not think the resolution is the main differentiator in EVFs. Refresh rate, contrast, etc, are more critical. Do you use magnification to focus? I can’t bear it. I can focus without it on the Q2M and R5m2 pretty easily. Both are higher resolution. All of the things you stated are definitely important but so is resolution for focussing without mag, it can be done as other cameras made by Leica and others have managed it. For me the Visoflex 2 remains firmly in the better than nothing camp but I’ll only use it in absolute desperation with real time evidence of failure to manage with RF which is very rare. If I had to rely on the visoflex2 I’d be selling the camera! If a new camera was released with that as the EVF there would be a pretty huge critical rejection is my guess. Having said that I can’t imagine that if there actually is an EVF style M coming that would be the engineered solution. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 15 Share #525 Posted February 15 Perhaps it will have the same EVF as the M12. Future Visoflex 3? Just a guess. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phojomatic Posted February 15 Share #526 Posted February 15 1 hour ago, lct said: Perhaps it will have the same EVF as the M12. Future Visoflex 3? Just a guess. Now that’s an interesting suggestion…and forward thinking The M10-P shutter made its way to M10-R…and perhaps the M10-R was a test ground to see how owners would react to a higher mp sensor. As beautiful as the M10-R is as a standalone camera, it really didn’t make much sense to me to introduce something with a very short offering cycle, which of course is only clear in hindsight. I was always told the M10-R was a “bridge” until the M11…but why would Leica need such a bridge? if the M10-R never was introduced, I think there would have been a greater attraction to the M11 as the first high mp M. Baseplate discussion in 3…2…1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 15 Share #527 Posted February 15 Advertisement (gone after registration) M10-R was for TRLM* and M11 for TMLM** i guess 😁 *The Real Leica Man **The Modern Leica Man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 15 Share #528 Posted February 15 9 hours ago, jaapv said: This is not a joke. The camera runs a permanent loop of the sensor output in 4K or 6K and stores it at button press. Some cameras store raw data in the buffer (Olympus m43, 20MP). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 15 Share #529 Posted February 15 3 hours ago, Derbyshire Man said: Do you use magnification to focus? I can’t bear it. I can focus without it on the Q2M and R5m2 pretty easily. Both are higher resolution. All of the things you stated are definitely important but so is resolution for focussing without mag, it can be done as other cameras made by Leica and others have managed it. For me the Visoflex 2 remains firmly in the better than nothing camp but I’ll only use it in absolute desperation with real time evidence of failure to manage with RF which is very rare. If I had to rely on the visoflex2 I’d be selling the camera! If a new camera was released with that as the EVF there would be a pretty huge critical rejection is my guess. Having said that I can’t imagine that if there actually is an EVF style M coming that would be the engineered solution. Yes, I focus with magnification and focus peaking in magnified view. I was faster focusing with 2.4MP Typ 020 than with the new Visoflex 2 3.7 MP (which I prefer overall). I was able to get the in-focus point quicker. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted February 15 Share #530 Posted February 15 The SL has a large pupil opening which I must assume why I like it plus the quality of the TV screen it has. The Q also is easy to use. The Viso 2 while lower in quality than the other two is still plenty for me. I think at times we get too obsessed with the numbers versus just looking at the TV and using it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 15 Share #531 Posted February 15 A big difference is that with Q and SL, you focus wide open, while with M's EVFs, you focus at the working aperture, which makes precise focusing much harder. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted February 15 Share #532 Posted February 15 For M mount lens focus peaking, Ricoh made a good attempt with the GXR M-module, despite the poor EVF technology of the day. The black and white inverted edge detect ( mode 2 ) was the most useful. https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/ricohgxrmounta12/3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted February 15 Share #533 Posted February 15 (edited) On 2/10/2025 at 3:05 PM, jaapv said: First a fake rewind knob, then a fake wind lever. And now a fake window? Call it the M-F. The F stands for fake. Sometimes it seems Leica is borderline obsessed with turning the flagship M camera into a Panasony. Edited February 15 by Herr Barnack 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8X2 Posted February 15 Share #534 Posted February 15 vor 1 Stunde schrieb Herr Barnack: Call it the M-F. The F stands for fake. M-F is probably not such a great idea 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phojomatic Posted February 16 Share #535 Posted February 16 5 hours ago, M8X2 said: M-F is probably not such a great idea Worse yet will be the high resolution M-F-R. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted February 16 Share #536 Posted February 16 10 hours ago, algrove said: The SL has a large pupil opening which I must assume why I like it plus the quality of the TV screen it has. The Q also is easy to use. The Viso 2 while lower in quality than the other two is still plenty for me. I think at times we get too obsessed with the numbers versus just looking at the TV and using it. A lower quality evf doesn’t matter with most cameras because there is visual feedback from the autofocus system. With manual focus you rely on either a high resolution display to nail focus, or you’re left with focus peaking. And focus peaking 1. Is useless at narrow apertures, and 2. obscures important information in the frame by covering it over with coloured pixels. Focus peaking makes it so you often can’t tell if a subject is even looking at the camera unless their face is filling enough of the display. So my fear is, that they just put in an EVF equivalent to the Visoflex 2 (which is their stated aim according to the last user survey) and it will not be capable enough as a standalone manual focusing system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted February 16 Share #537 Posted February 16 Do you think Leica will come up with something unimaginable and innovative? “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted February 16 Share #538 Posted February 16 (edited) 40 minutes ago, raizans said: Do you think Leica will come up with something unimaginable and innovative? “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” A nuclear powered M12 with a new version of fotos which automatically donates £40m to the National Portrait Gallery and direct uploads your photos to your exhibition there as you shoot? Edited February 16 by Derbyshire Man 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudgerer Posted February 16 Share #539 Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Derbyshire Man said: A nuclear powered M12 with a new version of fotos which automatically donates £40m to the National Portrait Gallery and direct uploads your photos to your exhibition there as you shoot? The Chernobyl Edition? Easy to find in the dark.......... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 16 Share #540 Posted February 16 5 hours ago, Stevejack said: [...] So my fear is, that they just put in an EVF equivalent to the Visoflex 2 (which is their stated aim according to the last user survey) and it will not be capable enough as a standalone manual focusing system. Matter of practice i guess but the Visoflex 2 is capable enough as a standalone manual focusing camera, at least for me. As far as my lenses are concerned, focus magnification together with focus peaking can do it at working aperture with lenses from 12mm to 135mm. 28mm at f/8 here, full frame and crop. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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