Carrot Posted January 17 Share #41 Posted January 17 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, hoolyproductions said: Having had an SL3 for a few months now: at first the grip indeed felt very different and I was not sure I liked it. My SL2-S felt like a natural extension of my body at that time. Now I have used the SL3 exclusively and return to the SL2-S: the grip feels very different and I don't like it as much Which is not to say that the SL3 grip is not a backwards step for some of you (our hands are all different), but at least in my case I prefer it now. I'm a bit the same with the much maligned power button, which I strongly prefer for the ability to put the camera in stand by mode whenever I need to and I do not stuggle at all to tell if I am turning the camera off or putting it in stand by (and it looks cool 🤣) I'm the opposite, and recently sold my SL3 and have gone back to my SL2-S, mainly because I preferred the slightly longer grip on my SL2-S, just fits my hands better. I did miss the new power switch though, as I'd got into the habit of putting it into sleep mode in between taking photos and pressing the shutter release to quickly wake it up again. One day after release here in the UK and several dealers have the SL3-S in stock, unlike the SL3 which sold out the initial stock the same day. Maybe people don't see it as a significant step up from the SL2-S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LD_50 Posted January 17 Share #42 Posted January 17 6 minutes ago, Carrot said: I'm the opposite, and recently sold my SL3 and have gone back to my SL2-S, mainly because I preferred the slightly longer grip on my SL2-S, just fits my hands better. I did miss the new power switch though, as I'd got into the habit of putting it into sleep mode in between taking photos and pressing the shutter release to quickly wake it up again. One day after release here in the UK and several dealers have the SL3-S in stock, unlike the SL3 which sold out the initial stock the same day. Maybe people don't see it as a significant step up from the SL2-S. I’ve found a RRS base plate improved the grip for me on the SL and SL2-S. They do add about 100g of weight but fit very well, extend the grip, protect the bottom edges of the camera and allow for quick tripod use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 17 Share #43 Posted January 17 4 hours ago, Geoff C. Bassett said: Same here man. I am hoping to pick up the S1H V2 when it comes out in the hope it will shoot open gate with a decent readout, if it's the same damn sensor then I'm never buying it, and will probably save up for a used GFX 100 II. But the SL3S does shoot open gate… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 17 Share #44 Posted January 17 20 hours ago, Ne314satel said: I no longer understand Leica. Instead of an innovative camera, they offer us an old Panasonic 5x $ They don’t. They offer the Leica interpretation of the new common platform co-developed with Panasonic. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelu2010 Posted January 17 Share #45 Posted January 17 12 hours ago, costa43 said: Leica could have definitely done more with this line but they played it safe and stuck to the formula. I think it’s a disappointing release overall but they want to stay in this market and the real focus is elsewhere I’m sure. I love the sl2s and there is nowhere near enough here for my use case to upgrade. If the SL cameras didn’t depreciate so quickly in cost, it would have been a more interesting proposition but to lay out an additional 3.5k or so for minor upgrades is a non starter. On a positive note, I’m happy that the line is continuing and I have a feeling the sl2s will actually increase in resale value after this announcement! Just that I get your perspective: you had the camera in your hands? you made images and video? you checked the images on your computer and after testing it with different lenses you came to the conclusion that the sl3s is not worth the upgrade? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted January 17 Share #46 Posted January 17 6 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said: Just that I get your perspective: you had the camera in your hands? you made images and video? you checked the images on your computer and after testing it with different lenses you came to the conclusion that the sl3s is not worth the upgrade? I’m not sure you care much for my perspective as opposed to trying to prove a point but I don’t think I’m in the minority when I say it’s a pretty disappointing upgrade for 2025 and not a great value proposition for a lot of SL2s users. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 17 Share #47 Posted January 17 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) My initial impression is that AFc is on a different level than SL3 (or SL2-S), close to what I experienced with Nikons, Canons, and Sonys. I have not tried subject detection yet. Edited January 17 by SrMi 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 18 Share #48 Posted January 18 2 hours ago, costa43 said: I’m not sure you care much for my perspective as opposed to trying to prove a point but I don’t think I’m in the minority when I say it’s a pretty disappointing upgrade for 2025 and not a great value proposition for a lot of SL2s users. Statistical justification of not being a minority? There is such a thing as reserving judgement until you know what you are talking about. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Abrahams Posted January 18 Share #49 Posted January 18 I have purchased the SL3s and will probably receive it next week. The main reason is that I like having the same operating system with two main cameras. However I also like having the same image quality with two main cameras. So that doesn't rule out using both SL2S and SL3S and selling the SL3 if it's a better match. The difference between the SL2 and SL2S was significant but I dont expect there will be such a difference between SL3S and SL3. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 18 Share #50 Posted January 18 I am not a pro like many of you in this thread. Anyway, I am super happy with new SL3-S coming from SL 601->SL2-S->SL3->SL3-S now. My amateur reasons: -Highest ISO out of cam look nice for me. With denoise in Lightroom really good. -I have the 96 MP in backhand, when needed and this even w/o a tripod. But this requires some exercise and sometime several trials when using out of hand. But it works out of hand with 96 MP! So called "Multishot" still has some limitations, but I am optimistic for next firmware updates to improve on this version 1.0. -AF is much superior to SL3! E.g. Lux 50 does not do any AF Pumping at >real low light. Speed is much much much better! Especially when using new SL lenses. -Myself did not check on video at all so far. Here some example images (Flickr Links) -96 MP handheld Pixel Shift Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! -ISO 50.000 after denoise in Lightroom 8 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! -ISO 50.000 after denoise in Lightroom ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418592-leica-sl3-s-fastest-camera-in-leica%E2%80%99s-100-year-camera-history/?do=findComment&comment=5741790'>More sharing options...
Geoff C. Bassett Posted January 18 Share #51 Posted January 18 6 hours ago, jaapv said: But the SL3S does shoot open gate… I said "open gate with a decent readout" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelu2010 Posted January 18 Share #52 Posted January 18 Hey Costa43, Hey Forum, mathphotographer is very accurate in his revues. So maybe you sneak in and have a watch. Have a Look 👀 And I can confirm, that the camera is a good upgrade to people that need the AF. I tested it with long exposure to and it’s much snappier to objects and people. And as fare as I can tell, I did not feel any blackouts. This was my biggest concern. It makes me loos connection to the subject. I will do some testing today to see how it performs with speedlights. Cheers 🥂 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted January 18 Share #53 Posted January 18 5 hours ago, jaapv said: Statistical justification of not being a minority? There is such a thing as reserving judgement until you know what you are talking about. It’s very assumptive on my behalf but we all draw conclusions from time to time based on first impressions and the impressions of others. Maybe stating I was in a majority was a little premature but it’s not a rush out and sell off existing gear to buy product for me (and possibly the majority😏) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted January 18 Share #54 Posted January 18 26 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said: Hey Costa43, Hey Forum, mathphotographer is very accurate in his revues. So maybe you sneak in and have a watch. Have a Look 👀 And I can confirm, that the camera is a good upgrade to people that need the AF. I tested it with long exposure to and it’s much snappier to objects and people. And as fare as I can tell, I did not feel any blackouts. This was my biggest concern. It makes me loos connection to the subject. I will do some testing today to see how it performs with speedlights. Cheers 🥂 There’s no demonstration of AF improvements in the video. “I did not feel any blackouts.” Are you suggesting this is a blackout free camera? Compare to a Nikon Z8/Z9 which are actually blackout free (as are a few others). It looks like this camera is about the same as the SL2-S in this regard, given the similar sensor read time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted January 18 Share #55 Posted January 18 8 hours ago, SrMi said: My initial impression is that AFc is on a different level than SL3 (or SL2-S), close to what I experienced with Nikons, Canons, and Sonys. I have not tried subject detection yet. I wonder if we can expect similar autofocus performance from future SL3 firmware? If it depends on pixel density, then why? After all, the processor does not need to process all the pixels to focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 18 Share #56 Posted January 18 (edited) vor 30 Minuten schrieb Smogg: I wonder if we can expect similar autofocus performance from future SL3 firmware? If it depends on pixel density, then why? After all, the processor does not need to process all the pixels to focus. Well, SL3-S has a huge amount of Phase AF fields according to technical data. For SL3 they do not tell in in technical data about how many Phase AF fields. SL3-S: Autofokus-Messfelder Kontrast-AF: 315 / Phasendetektions-AF: 779 SL3: Autofokus-Messfelder 315 So? Edited January 18 by mpauliks 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 18 Share #57 Posted January 18 So the answer to the question is no, unfortunately. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 18 Share #58 Posted January 18 2 hours ago, costa43 said: It’s very assumptive on my behalf but we all draw conclusions from time to time based on first impressions and the impressions of others. Maybe stating I was in a majority was a little premature but it’s not a rush out and sell off existing gear to buy product for me (and possibly the majority😏) Fair enough but maybe a spot of nuance might help. 😉 I won’t upgrade my SL2S either because my S5Ii fills the gaps and I could not be more happy with my present gear, but then my photography is not AF-dependent (landscape, wildlife, travel and daily general) -although I appreciate the convenience- nor impaired by ES complications so I would have no benefit. But I will not speak for others. I think that Leica has removed the main Internet bashing points for stills, and optimized the video capabilities by offering open gate, steadicam-level stabilization and 6K. Which, combined with the unquestionable UI and build quality make it a highly attractive proposition and unique offering in the hybrid mirrorless marketplace. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted January 18 Share #59 Posted January 18 39 minutes ago, jaapv said: but maybe a spot of nuance might help Deja vu alert. Have you been speaking with my wife? I agree on the points you make but it was just a bit of a 🤷 moment for me. The first SL was ahead of its time, it would have been nice to see Leica give it a bit more of a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 18 Share #60 Posted January 18 🤣 My initial reaction to the SL was: Have they gone out of their minds? A lump of a camera and monster lenses. No matter image quality and AF. Who is going to buy it let alone schlepp it around? I was 100% M back then and had welcomed the 240 EVF as an upgrade to Visoflex3. Yet there I am with the SL2S and a bunch of lenses for daily carry and 601 and CL as backup... 🙄 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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