jaapv Posted January 23 Share #281 Posted January 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, we say good for you as well. Everybody has his own judgements and those should be respected. I must say though that claiming exceedingly high standards is rather condescending towards other members on the forum and evokes a bit of a princess on the pea effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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awolf Posted January 23 Share #282 Posted January 23 9 minutes ago, jaapv said: Well, we say good for you as well. Everybody has his own judgements and those should be respected. I must say though that claiming exceedingly high standards is rather condescending towards other members on the forum and evokes a bit of a princess on the pea effect. I didn't say higher, I said different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23 Share #283 Posted January 23 Sure, we got your meaning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 23 Share #284 Posted January 23 43 minutes ago, awolf said: Like I said good for you, my standards are different. I understand fully the different segment these type of cameras serves. I am just saying that in 2025 the SL series is leaving a lot to be desired ( and BTW, I have been shooting with digital MF since 2004 😉). That is all fine and reasonable, but I have a problem with your following statement: "24 megapixel is just no longer acceptable (if you think it is, you simply haven’t shot a 60 meg yet or a 100)." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awolf Posted January 23 Share #285 Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, SrMi said: That is all fine and reasonable, but I have a problem with your following statement: "24 megapixel is just no longer acceptable (if you think it is, you simply haven’t shot a 60 meg yet or a 100)." That is also fine. Lets just agree to disagree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted January 23 Share #286 Posted January 23 24mp is a fabulous size to work with. I have cameras from 4 to 102mp and 24 for FF cameras definitely feels like the sweet spot to me. For whatever it’s worth, 50mp is my happy place for MF and 16 for APSC. It’s extremely pleasing to see camera manufacturers offering us these 24mp sensors in modern bodies. Even if it’s only to better serve the video/hybrid users. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted January 23 Share #287 Posted January 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, awolf said: That is also fine. Lets just agree to disagree Are you by any chance using really high res monitor? 24mp is much better experienced on screen with a 4K monitor. And even with a 60mp file, the ultra high res monitors make it hard to evaluate pixel level sharpness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awolf Posted January 23 Share #288 Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, hdmesa said: Are you by any chance using really high res monitor? 24mp is much better experienced on screen with a 4K monitor. And even with a 60mp file, the ultra high res monitors make it hard to evaluate pixel level sharpness. The differences are visible, to me, on any viewing device, including the iPhone. Be happy to do a controlled blind tests anytime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23 Share #289 Posted January 23 As you said yourself, different is not better… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted January 24 Share #290 Posted January 24 1 hour ago, awolf said: The differences are visible, to me, on any viewing device, including the iPhone. Be happy to do a controlled blind tests anytime. Strange. Perhaps you have superhuman vision on par with raptors and eagles, IDK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awolf Posted January 24 Share #291 Posted January 24 24 minutes ago, hdmesa said: Strange. Perhaps you have superhuman vision on par with raptors and eagles, IDK. Now your talking 🤣 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 24 Share #292 Posted January 24 On 1/23/2025 at 1:53 AM, awolf said: Have a look, top is 24meg, bottom is 60. I can see it clearly 🤷♂️ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! To return to these photographs I personally think that the first one is superior. It shows a natural shot of a real human being at a fun moment. The technical execution matches the atmosphere. I like it The second one The lens-camera combination has done the woman no good. She looks like a wax figure, mercilessly rendered. The high contrast and bright colours reinforce it. I think an APO lens may have contributed to the effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awolf Posted January 24 Share #293 Posted January 24 (edited) I can accept your descriptions, no arguments here. However, to my eyes, and that is what I was trying to "prove" the sec pic, is a lot more resolving. Just look at the hair, how much better it is defined. Look at the fabric at the collar of the sweatshirt. Look at the zipper etc. Not to mention that its a ~50% crop, which is also a big plus for street shooting. Edited January 24 by awolf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted January 24 Share #294 Posted January 24 8 minutes ago, awolf said: I can accept your descriptions. However, to my eyes, and that is what I was trying to "prove" the sec pic, is a lot more resolving. Just look at the hair, how much better it is defined. Look at the fabric at the collar of the sweatshirt. Look at the zipper etc. Not to mention that its a ~50% crop, which is also a big plus for street shooting. So the top pic is 24 mp…. And the bottom pic is more than 50% cropped from 60 mp….. this is getting more ridiculous. What then is the resolution of the bottom pic? Is your argument that higher pixel density gives you all the benefits you’re after rather than the resolution of the sensor? If that’s the case, which it must be given the photos and details you shared, are you a big fan of 24 mp APSC sensors? The TL2 at 24 mp has nearly identical pixel pitch to the SL3 at 60 mp. Similarly the SL3-S at 24 mp has nearly identical pixel pitch to the Hasselblad X1D at 50 mp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 24 Share #295 Posted January 24 7 minutes ago, awolf said: I can accept your descriptions. However, to my eyes, and that is what I was trying to "prove" the sec pic, is a lot more resolving. Just look at the hair, how much better it is defined. Look at the fabric at the collar of the sweatshirt. Look at the zipper etc. Not to mention that its a ~50% crop, which is also a big plus for street shooting. I follow the crop argument, and even the detail one, although I doubt that a 300 DPI print could resolve the difference, but the essential rendering of a female face retires well-defined eyes, teeth, lips, jewelry -yes- but more importantly a transition to a soft looking skin. And there the high resolution sensor fails, as doAPO lenses. We are photographers-we paint with light, but not photocopiers which would mean that reproduce withight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awolf Posted January 24 Share #296 Posted January 24 Sorry, I just checked, its about closer to 80% crop (I randomly chose a photo, needed to go back and look at the original). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted January 24 Share #297 Posted January 24 Just now, awolf said: Sorry, I just checked, its about closer to 80% crop (I randomly chose a photo, needed to go back and look at the original). Given that, if you do an 80% crop with the 60 mp sensor and then shoot the exact scene, matching the cropped framing with a different focal length lens with a 24 mp sensor, you somehow prefer the lower resolution crop of the higher res sensor? This doesn’t hold up. If lens resolving power is equal, detail in the 24 mp example would be greater because there are more pixels pointing at the same scene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awolf Posted January 24 Share #298 Posted January 24 higher pixel density is a part of that as well. Not sure how that will make the 24 sensor more resolving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted January 24 Share #299 Posted January 24 5 minutes ago, awolf said: higher pixel density is a part of that as well. Not sure how that will make the 24 sensor more resolving. Yeah the whole thing doesn’t make sense. A TL2 sensor at 24 mp effectively matches a TL2 sensor-sized crop from a 60 mp SL3 in terms of pixels representing the image. In other words the final image is the same framing, with essentially the same number of pixels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awolf Posted January 24 Share #300 Posted January 24 OK, sorry I should have been more careful, I checked the 24 meg image, both images are cropped, similar percentage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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